Yo fuck this density nerf.

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sofocle10000 wrote:

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andreicde wrote:

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painfrais wrote:

Can you guys actually understand my point instead of twisting it sideways, of course nerfing the content is going to be a nerf to everyone. I am simply stating that it makes the game easier to play. You guys are extra strong at the not understanding anything. Your argument is that it buffs speed, which I already stated...

The main premise is that slowing the game was mandatory at this point. If you don't agree with that, of course you aren't going to agree with anything else that follows. No need to try and explain why this change in particular was bad, because any other way to do it also have huge downsides, maybe you would rather like to complain about different downsides but it doesn't change anything. This packsize nerf also tone down rampage and flasks, since flasks are/were out of control, it's 2 birds with one stone. As I said, the only problem is that it buffs mobility skills and movement speed. The only regret I have is just that, they should've released this density change along with a mobility skills nerf.

It's not that people don't understand your point, it's just that it's a bad point. You say that the slowing down was mandatory because X reached Y level fast, which is silly, considering no matter what nerfs they do, the top guys no life-ing the map will still be top. The 1% that finds loopholes will always find loopholes no matter what and will still level fast, but the other 99% will be the ones getting screwed. GGG have to understand that this is not esports and most certainly not a MOBA game, therefore the balance for games such as league of legends/dota 2 does not and SHOULD not be applied here.

Quite the contrary. Balance should be applied to PoE too, and actually in a more timely manner.

All the broken skills/mechanics/items or interactions should be addressed on a monthly/weekly basis and "loopholes" that are unregulated should get regulated ASAP.

That would bring balance and a healthy development to the game. Long term.

And it would also place more weight on the diversity, and on builds being, feeling an being played different.

Right now you got stack damage, pick opie-op broken @#&* and go demi-god mode, with more or less focus on AFK capability.

Much "diversity". Much "balance". Much "WOW".

Playing PoE should feel fun, and actual content that put up a fight should be more appreciated, while also feel a lot more rewarding at the same time... And it should at least contend with the goddamn trade or crafting as those don't pose ANY kind of danger.

"Balance". Right...

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sofocle10000 wrote:

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andreicde wrote:

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painfrais wrote:

Can you guys actually understand my point instead of twisting it sideways, of course nerfing the content is going to be a nerf to everyone. I am simply stating that it makes the game easier to play. You guys are extra strong at the not understanding anything. Your argument is that it buffs speed, which I already stated...

The main premise is that slowing the game was mandatory at this point. If you don't agree with that, of course you aren't going to agree with anything else that follows. No need to try and explain why this change in particular was bad, because any other way to do it also have huge downsides, maybe you would rather like to complain about different downsides but it doesn't change anything. This packsize nerf also tone down rampage and flasks, since flasks are/were out of control, it's 2 birds with one stone. As I said, the only problem is that it buffs mobility skills and movement speed. The only regret I have is just that, they should've released this density change along with a mobility skills nerf.

It's not that people don't understand your point, it's just that it's a bad point. You say that the slowing down was mandatory because X reached Y level fast, which is silly, considering no matter what nerfs they do, the top guys no life-ing the map will still be top. The 1% that finds loopholes will always find loopholes no matter what and will still level fast, but the other 99% will be the ones getting screwed. GGG have to understand that this is not esports and most certainly not a MOBA game, therefore the balance for games such as league of legends/dota 2 does not and SHOULD not be applied here.

Quite the contrary. Balance should be applied to PoE too, and actually in a more timely manner.

All the broken skills/mechanics/items or interactions should be addressed on a monthly/weekly basis and "loopholes" that are unregulated should get regulated ASAP.

That would bring balance and a healthy development to the game. Long term.

And it would also place more weight on the diversity, and on builds being, feeling an being played different.

Right now you got stack damage, pick opie-op broken @#&* and go demi-god mode, with more or less focus on AFK capability.

Much "diversity". Much "balance". Much "WOW".

Playing PoE should feel fun, and actual content that put up a fight should be more appreciated, while also feel a lot more rewarding at the same time... And it should at least contend with the goddamn trade or crafting as those don't pose ANY kind of danger.

"Balance". Right...

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painfrais wrote:

You guys are adorable. So the main argument is that blowing up mobs is fun, which it is. Now speaking of mobs, when the game first got released in beta, there were no mobs at all. There wasn't anything in any layout. But then, they added a league that would put additional monsters on the map, and another one, and another one, and another one. We are now 10+ leagues that increases density rolled into the main game. This means the density, even after the nerf is leaps and bounds better than what we had early on, even as far as 5 leagues in the game. At some point this was a mandatory change if they wanted to keep rolling density fun stuff into the game, such as harbingers. Are they supposed to just fill the map entirely with density for you to be happy?

Also note, back then, you couldn't target what you wanted to run, maps weren't linked. You ran what you dropped, period. They gave us this amazing system that let us target what we want to run and it is beyond our wildest dream, this atlas thing is unreal. It felt it needed a nerf and that is exactly what they did with this change.

There is exactly no way they revert this change back, they might do some slight adjustments but this is mostly the game you're going to get from now on. Just run maps you enjoy, this is what this change is intended for, so that the maps are within a small margin and thus it comes down to personal preferences. Note that the maps that don't have high sextanting potential feel more packed than the maps that do, if this is intended and I am not just tripping balls, this is amazing thoughts into balance.

You guys keep failing to see the big picture over and over and over. Stop worrying about it and feel like you got robbed, because you didn't, poe is still an amazing game, even more so than before.

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painfrais wrote:

Can you guys actually understand my point instead of twisting it sideways, of course nerfing the content is going to be a nerf to everyone. I am simply stating that it makes the game easier to play. You guys are extra strong at the not understanding anything. Your argument is that it buffs speed, which I already stated...

The main premise is that slowing the game was mandatory at this point. If you don't agree with that, of course you aren't going to agree with anything else that follows. No need to try and explain why this change in particular was bad, because any other way to do it also have huge downsides, maybe you would rather like to complain about different downsides but it doesn't change anything. This packsize nerf also tone down rampage and flasks, since flasks are/were out of control, it's 2 birds with one stone. As I said, the only problem is that it buffs mobility skills and movement speed. The only regret I have is just that, they should've released this density change along with a mobility skills nerf.

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I_NO wrote:

Guess what people don't fucking do it still you literally screwed the entire map system and nothing changed all this did was screw most of the population while the targeted people you wanted to make people leave strand just went to shore.

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painfrais wrote:

You guys are adorable. So the main argument is that blowing up mobs is fun, which it is. Now speaking of mobs, when the game first got released in beta, there were no mobs at all. There wasn't anything in any layout. But then, they added a league that would put additional monsters on the map, and another one, and another one, and another one. We are now 10+ leagues that increases density rolled into the main game. This means the density, even after the nerf is leaps and bounds better than what we had early on, even as far as 5 leagues in the game. At some point this was a mandatory change if they wanted to keep rolling density fun stuff into the game, such as harbingers. Are they supposed to just fill the map entirely with density for you to be happy?

Also note, back then, you couldn't target what you wanted to run, maps weren't linked. You ran what you dropped, period. They gave us this amazing system that let us target what we want to run and it is beyond our wildest dream, this atlas thing is unreal. It felt it needed a nerf and that is exactly what they did with this change.

There is exactly no way they revert this change back, they might do some slight adjustments but this is mostly the game you're going to get from now on. Just run maps you enjoy, this is what this change is intended for, so that the maps are within a small margin and thus it comes down to personal preferences. Note that the maps that don't have high sextanting potential feel more packed than the maps that do, if this is intended and I am not just tripping balls, this is amazing thoughts into balance.

You guys keep failing to see the big picture over and over and over. Stop worrying about it and feel like you got robbed, because you didn't, poe is still an amazing game, even more so than before.