Post your reason why you hate doing labs.
" Naturally, I don't see that I don't see clearly here. However, you're the one taking offense at something that wasn't directed at you and still don't seem to get it. If I'm constantly dodging questions, I'm not aware of it. You're writing a lot - maybe I missed something. Please, feel free to ask these questions again, just make a list or something. " That was really not the reason, but whatever. The reason was that even though I asked you to re-read page 4 (which turned out to be page 3 after all, shame on me), you failed to see that I was not attacking you. So I tried to spell it out for you, if not letter by letter then in really manageable chunks. " Why would I need to explain it if it is there (at the time of writing this on page 3) plainly visible. If anyone cared to go back and look it up. Do you really think anyone is reading our drivel? People who come to this your thread you're so willingly derailing will just skip anything that was posted by you or me (after this debate started), probably even most of the more on-topic replies, since this thread simply asks for "Your Reasons why you hate the lab." - so it's actually enough to pop in, write down the list of stuff you hate, and leave. Since you did not get that my quoting of adghar was not an attack on you, I felt the need to explain it. Something I didn't deem necessary before, just because it needs a special mindset to read an attack into this and I would have thought reading it again might suffice. " That's not a fact. I did not know nothing about logical fallacies. I was wrong in one point, I conceded that I was wrong there and that my tongue-in-cheek remark (whether something was a logical fallacy if the conclusion was correct but the no evidence as to its correctness was provided) wasn't funny, after all. So be it. It is not relevant here at all. " I hear you. :P " Please provide evidence that I've come to ALL the threads that you made. But I admit that I like coming to your threads. However, I do not always attack (which is a bit of a strong word, since arguing something you said hardly an attack) you or your threads. "Making arguments" - now, there's a surprise, discussion in a forum called general discussion... o tempora, o mores! " 1. We're only talking about what I said to adghar so far. I would like to point out that I even contributed to the thread pointing out why I used to hate the lab. 2. I agreed with you that adghar's post was irrelevant and that after posting such an irrelevant post he should not be surprised at your sarcastic remark. " I get that now. My advice is to get a thicker skin. In fact, what I did say was that it is ok ("fine" is what I really said) to like the lab, and that I can't forbid people to come to this thread and post it here (since I am no moderator nor owner of these forums) - but that he should not be surprised at the consequences, i.e. being told off for posting irrelevant stuff. That is me agreeing with you. " Please, never consider becoming head of whatever country you live in. War might be inevitable. If you take offense so easily and then refuse to accept that you actually haven't been attacked, there's not much that can be done, really. " Perhaps you should lol less and think more. You're asking who I am to say that you were not attacked... well, gee, I am the alleged attacker. I am not aware of an attack - and yes, this my opinion is very important, since I should know my intentions best. I also went to the trouble of a lengthy explanation why it was not an attack, since I cannot, as you stated, read your mind. Thus it didn't even cross my mind that what I wrote could be taken as an offense. " Fair enough. Which is why I told adghar off for posting "N/A. I like the lab". So as not to just barge in and contribute nothing I stated my reasons why I used to hate the lab, which is more or less what many others said, that you could lose all progress due to things not really under your control, such as, in my case mostly, framedrops to 0. " I would think it is, yet you took offense at me not forbidding adghar to come here and post irrelevant stuff. (See above) " And we're back to square 1. :D You can't know my real intentions. You complained that I did not explain my claims, yet whenever I do explain, you call it lies, excuses or sugar-coating. " And you think it is completely impossible that I have learned from my mistake? I can tell you I hate making mistakes and when I do make one, I try to make sure I won't do it again. And again, the fact that I made a mistake is no basis for arguing that I am wrong here. This is a logical fallacy called Whataboutism. And it is even less a carte blanche for you, meaning that because in a different discussion I made a mistake, you cannot possibly be wrong in any discussions following that one. " It would be nice to have some people read the post in question and judge whether it was an attack. " Why, it's me, your friend Mikrotherion. Bird lover of Wraeclast
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Continued from above
" I was not implying. I was explicitly (that's the exact opposite) saying I was the ultimate authority on that matter (i.e. whether I was trying to make a joke); it was me who wrote it and I know my intention. " The reason does not have to be hate. I really don't hate you. If we met on the street (knowing who we are), I wouldn't punch you, try to kill you or anything that could be associated with hate. I find our debates fascinating. " Just look up "You don't say!" in a phrase book. For your convenience: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_don%27t_say Bird lover of Wraeclast Las estrellas te iluminan - Hoy te sirven de guía Te sientes tan fuerte que piensas - que nadie te puede tocar Last edited by Mikrotherion on Jun 18, 2017, 6:48:55 AM
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Ok... Bickersons... take it to PMs.
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You're both as bad as each other, continuously pissing into the wind.
Here's the bottom line, not everyone thinks the same, believes the same, feels the same or is the same. Additionally, not everyone fits into a boolean "you're either with us or you're against us" mind set, but instead people will fit along a Kinsey like scale with a mixture of likes and dislikes and each of these are valid and worthy of consideration. Is the lab all bad? No. Is it all good? No. Are there good and bad elements? Yes. What is quite obvious though after numerous threads on the same topic, populated by some of the same core but also quite a large number of other forum goers, is that the lab is one of the largest topics of divisiveness within the community. It is patently obvious that there is a lot about the lab that is majorly abrasive to much of the community and GGG should weigh these concerns carefully. Personally, there are three aspects about the current (2.6, not Beta) iteration of PoE that turn me off Leagues and make me almost exclusively a Standard player: 1. Lab. A walk in the park for some builds, painful as hell for others. 2. Leveling masters yet again solo. So frickin tedious. 3. Act 4 / Malachai. An absolute shit arena fight to cap off a dreary art style that mistakes darkness for atmosphere. Playing in Standard means I never have to experience these things ever again and that makes me inordinately happy. |
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As i always said
Remove ascendency points, enchantments and treasure chest Would you still run lab? ZiggyD is the Labyrinth of streamers, some like it, some dont, but GGG will make sure to push it down ur throat to make you like it
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I wouldn't run Lab if there was no incentive to not doing them at all. The problem with lab is stability... if you get disconnected that is minutes lost and wasted. With Maps you at least have the assurance that you'll still have 5 more portals provided the instance didn't crash. With Labs it's just 1 long dredge through a Dungeon where once you're dead you start over from the beginning.
Just another Forum Signature in a Sea of Signatures. Last edited by Atomic_Noodles on Jun 18, 2017, 9:04:36 AM
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The lab is boring. Very boring.
I know "fun" is very subjective, and that a lot of people view "fun" as looking at numbers; numbers on the ladder, 40/40 besides their character and other e-penis things. It's only the destination for them, not the journey. 1200 Voll runs? No problem. 100 uber Izaro runs? No problem. They're just means to an end for some. But some of us play to have fun. Fun gameplay. And when this huge part of the game is so damn anti fun, it becomes a problem. Why hold on to this toxic content, when SO many people find it so boring? Give me some numbers... Videos... INDICATIONS that the majority of people find the lab FUN, and runs it regularly - because of the gameplay. The lab isn't hard. It's just plain out boring as hell. Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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Most ppl only like it cause of the rewards. Put traps and fucking pink doors on maps and lets see how many will find it "fun"
Lets do crematorium or malformation map they have a very GOOD layout. OH LOOK a pink door, where is the dildo? This is so fun! |
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becuz if you've died you can't start at you're dead ,must be rerun at first so wasting time
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