[3.14] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, ✔️All Bosses Down, ✔️Necro, ✔️Elementalist

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Wouldn't it be worth it to take the 2 5% Curse Effectiveness nodes near whispers of Doom, rather than the Curse Cast Speed, to take Temporal Chains even further?

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Well, I mean it's great that you're willing to test, but LVL 26 golems means you used sub-optimal links with a sub-optimal tree and came to an inaccurate conclusion. And then you passed that conclusion to others as advice. That's kinda ehh...

Anyway, back to the point. Flame and Lightning do not have the same tree, links, or playstyle. I agree that Flame is easier for mapping, but if you think Lightning is much worse, then you might be trying to play it the same style as Flame, which is inefficient. I made the same mistake too when I first tried Lightning, so it's understandable. If you just keep walking, the orbs kill mobs as you move offscreen. No need to wait until they die like on Flame.

For bosses, you can compare any boss fight on Youtube and see Lightning is way ahead, sometimes 2x faster or more, especially on megabosses where killing faster means better survivability (Guardians/Shaper/Uber Atziri). Lightning is actually the fastest Shaper killer among summoner builds atm (unless there's some secret build I haven't seen yet).

I'm not saying this cause I have something against Flame Golems. I like all the golem types actually (played extensively with all of them and done Shaper with Ice/Light/Stone). I just think it's important to pass on good/accurate info, especially with all these new players coming in.

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How do you figure charity gives 600% increased crit chance? power charge gives 40%, 40% * 3 = 120%.. and not for bosses.

it seems to me still almost like another clayshaper would be best

each golem having 12% inc cast speed, 120% inc crit which should work out to about 20% inc over the base amount after controlled destruction (so should be 6%?), and 12% more dmg on each golem
seems trumped by adding another golem.
bcuz even if u cut that golems dmg up into 4 pieces and give it to the other 4 equally, each would gain more than those charges give I think (just an abstract example but u see my point) it is like same dps boost as if each golem gaining 25% more dmg by adding a fifth.

Just my thought on the matter.

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"Effects on Monsters and Minions

Frenzy charges:

15% increased Attack Speed per Frenzy Charge
15% increased Cast Speed per Frenzy Charge
3 Maximum Frenzy Charges
4% more Damage per Frenzy Charge
5% increased Movement Speed per Frenzy Charge

Power charges:

200% increased Critical Strike Chance per Power Charge
3 Maximum Power Charges

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I see, but what about not having power charges up for bosses since they require kill and also an extra golem basically being 100% more damage vs 12% more * 4 golems on frenzy? Can the inc cast speed really make the difference? You will be bottlenecked by golem cooldowns with or without those frenzy charges I believe because I see no difference in how often they fire off magma balls with or without frenzy. they will just finish the spell echo sooner and have to wait the same to do it again..

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mika2salo wrote:

I'm not saying Lightning Golems are worse. I just stated that they have worse clear speed but better boss kill time which is true.

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...they have slightly better boss kill time than Flame Golems, but much worse clear speed in maps.

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This is not true.

Maybe I'm overreacting here, but the second statement seems off-base.

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tomatopotato wrote:

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mika2salo wrote:

I'm not saying Lightning Golems are worse. I just stated that they have worse clear speed but better boss kill time which is true.

This is true.

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...they have slightly better boss kill time than Flame Golems, but much worse clear speed in maps.

This is not true.

Maybe I'm overreacting here, but the second statement seems off-base.

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What is your opinion regarding flame vs lightning golemns? Flame better for mapping and Lightning better for boss farming (shaper/atrizi/uber)?

You seem to be knowledgable regarding golem builds and i'm at the point in mine where I need to decide if I want to work towards lightning or flame golems (just got my anima stone, been using sentinals).

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Could you give some advice on how to do Uber lab boss with this build, lab is not my favourite and I just die to easy in the boss room with all traps.
See other posts mention lighting golem for boss? But that is not worth leveling up now for the uber lab fight?

Any advice you can give, i don't have weakness as I run temp chains, should I switch a curse or should i switch a gem for fire penetration or something?

Could most likely make it if I do 3/4 runs but if I die i'm often so pissed off I need to log out for a bit...