Donald Trump and US politics

Third-wave intersectional​ feminism.

Contentious? I guess​ you'd think I am.

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鬼殺し wrote:

Eh, you know I didn't mean you anyway. You get it, for the most part. While I don't subscribe to blame-laying, I've seen waaaaaaay too many 'losers' find perfectly amenable partners for life to believe in some universal disparity between rankings of males and females. That's just using very dubious research to maintain a comfortable delusion. And you only really ever see it on the internet, or in gatherings of people who very likely are in the same self-satisfying company. Theirs is the affirmation of abnormality by way of collective, i.e. circlejerk. The reality is so much more complicated, and beautiful, and scary.

If they are circlejerking and I'm watching, even if I'm not agreeing, I will still be at least a voyeur right? ;D

The bit about 'losers' is true, I met a few at the time I used to go to a church. But I don't think people can achieve that without a proper mindset. I mean, those who won't look for it, won't find.

A few weeks ago I didn't even knew what was redpill, I found out when there was news about it on r/politics. I read a little about it, and I kinda doubt that they will be able to have a relationship like the 'losers' I met in church or elsewhere.

"Any loser can find a partner that is just right for him" Agreed, but if you didn't find any for while, you might want change your way you are doing your things...

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soneka101 wrote:

A damn fine motto if ever there was one.

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鬼殺し wrote:

I've seen waaaaaaay too many 'losers' find perfectly amenable partners for life to believe in some universal disparity between rankings of males and females. That's just using very dubious research to maintain a comfortable delusion. And you only really ever see it on the internet, or in gatherings of people who very likely are in the same self-satisfying company. Theirs is the affirmation of abnormality by way of collective, i.e. circlejerk. The reality is so much more complicated, and beautiful, and scary.

Seeing how the non-deluded western demographics has a 50%-70% divorce rate (most of the divorces initiated by women), is really a tough question who is the abnormal here. Or who wants his abnormality to be affirmed. People who willingly throw themselves into the fire, hoping they wont get burned, or the ones who made the math?

You seem to think that just because someone posted a non-mainstream opinion on a game's forum, that makes him a nolifer child who can't get laid. But as far as I can tell, most offtopic dwellers here are 25+, have jobs and experience with dating. Some have even been married and divorced.

I can apply the same self-satisfying delusion to a group of married suckers, whose wives now have them legally by the balls and have no other option but agree that marriage is awesome. I wouldn't want any thing else, honey. Please don't leave me an take my house, children and half my earnings... :P

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innervation wrote:

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soneka101 wrote:

A damn fine motto if ever there was one.

Yep, and hijacked by Greenpeace. =9[.]9=

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morbo wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

I've seen waaaaaaay too many 'losers' find perfectly amenable partners for life to believe in some universal disparity between rankings of males and females. That's just using very dubious research to maintain a comfortable delusion. And you only really ever see it on the internet, or in gatherings of people who very likely are in the same self-satisfying company. Theirs is the affirmation of abnormality by way of collective, i.e. circlejerk. The reality is so much more complicated, and beautiful, and scary.

Seeing how the non-deluded western demographics has a 50%-70% divorce rate (most of the divorces initiated by women), is really a tough question who is the abnormal here. Or who wants his abnormality to be affirmed. People who willingly throw themselves into the fire, hoping they wont get burned, or the ones who made the math?

You seem to think that just because someone posted a non-mainstream opinion on a game's forum, that makes him a nolifer child who can't get laid. But as far as I can tell, most offtopic dwellers here are 25+, have jobs and experience with dating. Some have even been married and divorced.

I can apply the same self-satisfying delusion to a group of married suckers, whose wives now have them legally by the balls and have no other option but agree that marriage is awesome. I wouldn't want any thing else, honey. Please don't leave me an take my house, children and half my earnings... :P

I read this and imagine someone going on a rant about how education is worthless and only serves to indoctrinate: in some specific, contemporary context, I can kind of see the point, but pulled back to the general, to education/marriage as it should be, and such an opinion seems foolhardy. It may behoove you to conceptually separate the custom of marriage from the government regulation of marriage (in particular, of divorce).

For the record, I see marriage (gay, straight and otherwise) as religious sacrament and thus deserving of immunity from US government regulation per the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I read this and imagine someone going on a rant about how education is worthless and only serves to indoctrinate: in some specific, contemporary context, I can kind of see the point, but pulled back to the general, to education/marriage as it should be, and such an opinion seems foolhardy. It may behoove you to conceptually separate the custom of marriage from the government regulation of marriage (in particular, of divorce).

Imagine an education system where you have a 50%-70% chance to be equally dumb when you exit it, after 4, 8, 12 years... Not a great deal, if your aim is to become educated - or: maintain a stable family nucleus where you can raise your kids.

How can you conceptually separate marriage from the legal governmental obligations? It's precisely because the government has the power to destroy you, even if you did nothing wrong (your partner just got bored of you cuz 'reasons'), why marriage is an insanity nowadays. 50% = russian roulette with not just one, but 3 bullets in a 6-round chamber.

Marriage and reproduction in the Western world is going down the drain, that's pretty obvious. One way to save it would be to remove the government from it entirely - have private contracts between the two spouses. But good luck achieving that in a ultra-liberal feminist society, that is willing to destroy countless men, just to serve the whims of women.

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morbo wrote:

One way to save it would be to remove the government from it entirely - have private contracts between the two spouses. But good luck achieving that in a ultra-liberal feminist society, that is willing to destroy countless men, just to serve the whims of women.

Shouldn't be that hard. The trick is realizing that Christianity and common sense are completely useless on the Left. No, we need to make the Establishment Clause argument, and we need to do it via the Muslim community. Women preferred. And if you disagree with this, you're an islamophobe and a misogynist. And a racist. Somehow.

^ yea, using the left against itself is the only way to achieve anything, at this point. But the thing is: while religious interpretation of marriage is better than the feminist liberal interpretation, it is still a monolithic interpretation and sometimes too rigid. For example the Catholic church simply does not allow divorces, Islam allows forced marriages, etc...

Individual contracts between two partners are the best solution, imo. Write down the obligations and liabilities of each spouse. Negotiate a private contract that is beneficial for both, without the state having the power to extort either partner on a whim of the other and with the help of biased family courts. Such contracts would also simplify gay marriage, since religious bias would not be a factor.