Donald Trump and US politics

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SarahAustin wrote:

So far Trump only lost.

Except when he won. His guy Gorsuch is on the court.
We're out of TPP.
The state of Maryland had to rewrite their laws because of sanctuary city funding pulled.
US debt is down 100 billion.
Stock market is up bigly.
Billions of funds found in a HUD audit by sleepy doctor Carson.
5 year / lifetime lobbying ban enacted.
Obama-era executive order imposed regulations rolled back.
Border being secured - arrests are WAY down at the border because people aren't even trying to come illegally like the torrent that did under Obummer. Sessions is going ham on this right now.
And even though I disagree a bit with the Syria strike, you have to call it a win. It drew approval from leaders around the globe, and about 57% of Americans agreed with it.

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innervation wrote:

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SarahAustin wrote:

So far Trump only lost.

Except when he won. His guy Gorsuch is on the court.
We're out of TPP.
The state of Maryland had to rewrite their laws because of sanctuary city funding pulled.
US debt is down 100 billion.
Stock market is up bigly.
Billions of funds found in a HUD audit by sleepy doctor Carson.
5 year / lifetime lobbying ban enacted.
Obama-era executive order imposed regulations rolled back.
Border being secured - arrests are WAY down at the border because people aren't even trying to come illegally like the torrent that did under Obummer. Sessions is going ham on this right now.
And even though I disagree a bit with the Syria strike, you have to call it a win. It drew approval from leaders around the globe, and about 57% of Americans agreed with it.

shhhh let them live in their safe zone, so that in 4 years when he'll win again there will be so much salt about it.

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SarahAustin wrote:

So far Trump only lost.

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GeorgAnatoly wrote:

It's satire ending with a reference to the holocaust, as all good satire does.

The sad part was... so many leftists are so deranged and delusional on Trump that I really thought that comment was real because I didn't connect your name to it.

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innervation wrote:

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SarahAustin wrote:

So far Trump only lost.

Except when he won. His guy Gorsuch is on the court.
We're out of TPP.
The state of Maryland had to rewrite their laws because of sanctuary city funding pulled.
US debt is down 100 billion.
Stock market is up bigly.
Billions of funds found in a HUD audit by sleepy doctor Carson.
5 year / lifetime lobbying ban enacted.
Obama-era executive order imposed regulations rolled back.
Border being secured - arrests are WAY down at the border because people aren't even trying to come illegally like the torrent that did under Obummer. Sessions is going ham on this right now.
And even though I disagree a bit with the Syria strike, you have to call it a win. It drew approval from leaders around the globe, and about 57% of Americans agreed with it.

And if President Trump is successful in a permanent resolution of the nuclear threat presented by North Korea, it'll not only be another status-elevating win, but it'll earn him even more political capital with which to press on with other issues later on. =^[.]^=

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innervation wrote:

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soneka101 wrote:

You could have said: "What Spicer said was dumb, but not morally wrong, he chose the wrong words, and that's all, he didn't try to deny the holocaust (like some people are accusing him)"

Is that what you believe? Because it seems like everyone knows that this is what happened, yet Nanci Pelosi, the Anne Frank Center, and shitlibs in general are saying Spicer needs to be fired for Holocaust denial.

Hallucinations like this are going to throw the baby out with the bathwater for years, and there's no end in sight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjAE9Q7Kv6U

There's some more 'Holocaust denial' from alt-right nazi lunatic Chris Matthews.

I believe it was dumb and I see no problem in making fun of it. I can't say if it was morally wrong, there are some parts that are arguable, But I disagree in calling it holocaust denial, he is not denying it happened, he just didn't get his facts right, but after being corrected he acknowledged that, so calling 'holocaust denial' when he corrected himself is quite a stretch IMO.

But we know why politicians do that don't we? If they see the slightest chance to damage the other side they will go on full attack, they won't let go of the bone even if it's unreasonable. Misspeaking about Hitler can become 'Holocaust Denial', the same way that Unmasking can become 'Illegal wiretapping', just politicians doing their thing.

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innervation wrote:

Billions of funds found in a HUD audit by sleepy doctor Carson.

That doesn't seem right.

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The audit was initiated before Ben Carson assumed his position at HUD, and it reckons an aggregate figure of accounting errors and not an actual recovery of $500 billion in funds.

Sauce:http://www.snopes.com/carson-hud-accounting-errors/
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innervation wrote:

5 year / lifetime lobbying ban enacted.

That is arguable:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-lobbying-ban-weakens-obama-ethics-rules-234318
https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-trump-administration-may-be-skirting-its-own-ethics-rules
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innervation wrote:

Border being secured - arrests are WAY down at the border because people aren't even trying to come illegally like the torrent that did under Obummer.

Source on that claim about Obama?

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Throughout this time, the number of illegal immigrants has held steady. In 2014 the number of illegal immigrants was 11.3 million according to the Pew Research Center — the same number as were estimated to be here when he took office. By contrast, the population of illegal immigrants grew by almost two million under the Bush administration following rapid growth in every previous administration going back to Johnson

Sauce:https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/president-obamas-mixed-legacy-immigration

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Border Patrol apprehensions, which the government sees as a barometer of illegal border-crossing attempts, have been dropping for the past decade and a half. The Border Patrol apprehended 337,117 people nationwide in fiscal year 2015. That's down nearly 30 percent from the previous year and nearly 80 percent below the peak in 2000. Monthly figures through July of this year show a slight uptick, but apprehensions are still well below 2014 levels.

Late last year, the Pew Research Center reported that in the previous five years, more Mexicans had left the United States than entered. The center suggested tough border enforcement and a slow-growing U.S. economy contributed to reversing what had been "one of the largest mass migrations in modern history."

Sauce:http://www.npr.org/2016/08/31/491965912/5-things-to-know-about-obamas-enforcement-of-immigration-laws

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diablofdb wrote:

ROFLLLLLL

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WHY DONT YOU JUST KILL ME NAOW

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soneka101 wrote:

You are straying out of the topic again bro.

You're salty, so you're attacking Sean Spicer. I think he's a pretty cool guy. A bro in fact. He generates salt for me to feast on.

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See, this is what people mean when they say that someone "has drunk the kool-aid". When some shit happens you refuse to look at it objectively if it hurts the image of "your side".

You didn't point out anything objective. Just more salt.

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You could have said: "What Spicer said was dumb, but not morally wrong, he chose the wrong words, and that's all, he didn't try to deny the holocaust (like some people are accusing him)"

He was probably trolling, and if that's the case he was probably told to say something to get the media riled up. He threw out some bait, and you bit. Now you're talking about Sean Spicer instead of Trump. Because you're so emotionally unstable over the election results that you're looking for anything and everything to criticize.

Look, I'll even give you a little conspiracy theory to share among your liberal friends. Be sure to get your tinfoil had on for this one: Sean Spicer was told by unapologetic Neo-Nazi, and antisemite, Steve Bannon to deny the holocaust on TV. Hahahahaha

If he meant that the Nazis never used chemical weapons in a military attack, he's correct. If they did, the allies would have used them on the Germans, which they didn't. It's not that the Nazis were above using them in military attacks, it's just that they understood that it would be used against them in retaliation.

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Yes, Trump won the presidency, that's obvious, but aren't you misunderstanding what that means?

Winning the game is more than winning the election. He's winning the war of propaganda as well. He's making the media look like a bunch of fools, and butthurt queens. The media bites everything hook, line and sinker. Even completely fake shit, with no sources to back it up.

I love it when things are super polarized. Unity is overrated. That's something that can only be had if everyone is a bunch of mindless drones. I do think the USA is eventually going to be broken up.