Warning, Old Diablo Scam now in Path of Exile

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MGReaper wrote:

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AzraelX wrote:

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Jojas wrote:

People who grief or scam others in online games always say that it's just a game and that they would never do something like that in real life. I honestly cannot imagine how that is supposed to work. Either you are a dick or you are not.

"People who attack or kill others in online games always say that it's just a game and that they would never do something like that in real life. I honestly cannot imagine how that is supposed to work. Either you are a murderer or you are not."

If you seriously consider being scammed out of property and finances in real life, which directly affects your quality of life, to be equivalent to losing some digital stuff in a game, then you need to reevaluate your view because it's incredibly skewed.

I'll give you a hint, the digital thing you lost isn't worth anything in real life. You're not going to go without food or lose your house over it.

Games are timesinks you voluntarily play for entertainment. If someone scams you or kills you or anything similar in a video game, you lose some of the time you volunteered, and nothing else. That time was specifically allotted by you as "time to play this video game", and so you "wasted" a bit of your time that you were technically wasting anyways. The same can be said for every enemy that kills you while you try to progress through the game, it makes you lose some "time spent on video games" (although it really doesn't, since you were playing for the purposes of entertainment, and you received that entertainment whether you died later or not).

Real life, on the other hand, is something everyone is forced to engage in at all times and the acts you commit against people actually have meaningful consequences for them.

It's kind of disturbing there are people who can't make the distinction between reality and fantasy.

1) Bad example. The game encourages you to kill stuff, but that's ok because nearly all of us know the difference between a game and reality. The game does not encourage you to scam other people, so if you do so, then that's a conscious decision which no one forced you to take.

The desire to scam people comes from a player's mentality. The idea that you don't want to put in your own legitimate time to gain something, so you'll just take it from someone else. When you take someone's item without properly compensating them, you're also taking away the real life time that they invested into attaining that item. You don't need to suffer material loss for an action taken against you to be wrong. Losing something abstract, like time, is a major grievance for some people (particularly for those with busy lives who don't have that much time to play games to begin with).

2) You are in no position to tell other people that something is worth nothing, including virtual items. Value is a subjective matter, and that's made very clear by those who spend hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars on virtual items (even though that's against the rules in PoE, it still happens). I think that buying virtual items is foolish, but that's still just my opinion. Even ignoring the 'real value' factor, there's still the issue of time and dedication which can be just as important for many people.

3) Don't try to discredit others by suggesting that they don't know the difference between reality and games. This is the second time I've seen you do that, and your argument was logically fallacious (filled with holes and strawmen) both times. They know the difference, and there's no need to pretend that there's zero connection between online and real life behaviours. There are tons of dicks in real life, which is why there are also so many online (in fact, the anonymity and ease with which they can get away with their actions attracts them to this medium).

Sure, acting like a dick in games doesn't necessarily mean you are one in real life too. Maybe some people just like to roleplay being a dick (PoE is set in a cutthroat universe, after all). However, it's safe to say that a lot of people who act like dicks in games do so because they are ones in real life too. I'm not saying they would carry out real scams (perhaps if only because they know there would probably be negative consequences for themselves, such as getting caught and going to prison) but they are certainly the type of people who can be real twats.

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MGReaper wrote:

When you take someone's item without properly compensating them, you're also taking away the real life time that they invested into attaining that item.

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MGReaper wrote:

You are in no position to tell other people that something is worth nothing, including virtual items.

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MGReaper wrote:

However, it's safe to say that a lot of people who act like dicks in games do so because they are ones in real life too.

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AzraelX wrote:

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MGReaper wrote:

When you take someone's item without properly compensating them, you're also taking away the real life time that they invested into attaining that item.

No, they invested their time into getting enjoyment from the game, which they had already received. The "real life time" was just "time voluntarily allotted to playing video games".

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AzraelX wrote:

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MGReaper wrote:

You are in no position to tell other people that something is worth nothing, including virtual items.

Sure I am. Take them to the bank, or a pawn shop, or any service that provides money for goods. You won't get any. Therefore, they're worth nothing.

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AzraelX wrote:

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MGReaper wrote:

However, it's safe to say that a lot of people who act like dicks in games do so because they are ones in real life too.

It's safe to say that a lot of people who waste their time having pointless arguments on forums do so because they waste their time doing pointless things in real life too.

It's safe to say that a lot of people who don't act like dicks in games are also dicks in real life anyways.

It's safe to say that a lot of people who act like dicks in games are doing a lot more good with their lives than you ever will.

It looks like you need to start thinking long and hard about the difference between reality and fiction, because you definitely don't understand it right now.

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Aeze wrote:

D2 classic should have schooled everyone in how to NOT be scammed.

The days where you could telekinesis items in town? "Hey bro I can't let you in my guild unless I know I can trust you.. Drop that item so I can be sure"

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wdmshmo wrote:

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Aeze wrote:

D2 classic should have schooled everyone in how to NOT be scammed.

The days where you could telekinesis items in town? "Hey bro I can't let you in my guild unless I know I can trust you.. Drop that item so I can be sure"

I simply liked to turn things into Iron Golems. It was a great deal of fun.

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mushioov wrote:

I remember a case when a guy wanted me to drop my HOTO on the ground, in town - so no telekinesis was possible. I thought what the hell, let's screw with him for a while and let him think that he can somehow pick it up.
Well turned out that the joke was on me, because immediately when I dropped the HOTO on the ground he used Iron Golem on it and thus I lost my precious HOTO :D
Oh man I was furious, in fact I quit D2 for 6 months because of that :P I would've never guessed that since he wasn't a necromancer, he was just using a ring which granted him Iron Golem... I knew you couldn't use IG on uniques but the thing that didn't come to my mind was that you could use IG on Runewords...
Ahhh those were the times... :)

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LunacyPolish wrote:

The blame the victim mentality in these games when it comes to trading scams is crazy.

YES you absolutely have to watch out keep your common sense and be wary. However you should also always be honest and forthright.

This whole idea of scamming the naive being somehow acceptable disgusted me back in D2 and it disgusts me now.

There are people in this world who genuinely can't tell when something is bogus and human psychology is vulnerable to persuasion tactics even if the person in question is very sharp. The idea it is okay to cultivate this culture of duplicity is a terrible one.

I know it is just a game but I am too old for this kind of chicken sh#t ripoff scam. OP thanks for doing the community a favor and reminding everyone this is happening.

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AzraelX wrote:

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MGReaper wrote:

You are in no position to tell other people that something is worth nothing, including virtual items.

Sure I am. Take them to the bank, or a pawn shop, or any service that provides money for goods. You won't get any. Therefore, they're worth nothing.