Warning, Old Diablo Scam now in Path of Exile

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LunacyPolish wrote:

The blame the victim mentality in these games when it comes to trading scams is crazy.

It's what jerks say because they know they would scam someone if they could. It's an attempt to avoid guilt, nothing more.

Judging by the length of time between Asail's post and the post before his, this thread was at least 6 pages back before he replied. You went out of your way to find and reply to this thread again, which is a pretty sad indication of how little you have going on in your life.

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Asail wrote:

Yes I am far more harmed by losses from my game than ANY loss on your end. If you loose your life or family, doesn't affect my enjoyment of POE in one bit. Kids starve and people die EVERY DAY, it's not my problem. But those pixels mean the world to me. They are more valuable than many many people in the "real world". And clearly your argument has proven that fact; you're worthless to me. If I had to pick between fireball or your life, I'd choose fireball and destroy it in town.

This says everything that needs to be said. Thank you for proving my point.

As has been shown by the above quote, the handful of people who become vocally upset over scamming and other trivial things in video games are the type of narcissistic sociopaths who have no empathy for others, place no value on human life, and consider a few intangible pixels to be worth more than any loss suffered by anyone else in real life.

I can only hope that these few pathetic psychopaths, who are so completely detached from reality and human emotion, will continue playing video games instead of leaving their homes. They're clearly unfit to be among human beings, never mind being called one.

this scam not work if u look carefuly i mean...LMP and GMP gem the design is is difrent...

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AzraelX wrote:

Judging by the length of time between Asail's post and the post before his, this thread was at least 6 pages back before he replied. You went out of your way to find and reply to this thread again, which is a pretty sad indication of how little you have going on in your life.

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Asail wrote:

Yes I am far more harmed by losses from my game than ANY loss on your end. If you loose your life or family, doesn't affect my enjoyment of POE in one bit. Kids starve and people die EVERY DAY, it's not my problem. But those pixels mean the world to me. They are more valuable than many many people in the "real world". And clearly your argument has proven that fact; you're worthless to me. If I had to pick between fireball or your life, I'd choose fireball and destroy it in town.

This says everything that needs to be said. Thank you for proving my point.

As has been shown by the above quote, the handful of people who become vocally upset over scamming and other trivial things in video games are the type of narcissistic sociopaths who have no empathy for others, place no value on human life, and consider a few intangible pixels to be worth more than any loss suffered by anyone else in real life.

I can only hope that these few pathetic psychopaths, who are so completely detached from reality and human emotion, will continue playing video games instead of leaving their homes. They're clearly unfit to be among human beings, never mind being called one.

All you are doing is arguing for the sake of arguing and you don't even reply with an argument at all. Clearly you lost your own train of thought. It seems like you are trapped on the forums.

This was a topic about scamming in online games. You come in here and dismiss online games as some trivial activity simply because you see it as that way. Scamming may not matter to you, because of some "pixels", but you cannot even consider that it may matter to other people. Then you get on your soapbox and preach to the forums like we dont know the difference between online game and real life, telling us how precious "real life" is and nothing else matters; all the while you are online, rambling in an ONLINE GAME FORUM, spewing shit, and defending your own little ego.

You're worthless, now enjoy your shitty real life please.

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gideon59 wrote:

Hey all,

Just wanted to give a friendly heads up to everyone that trades in this game, (which is the majority of us).

In diablo it was common for someone to attempt to trade something to someone that was said to be a different item then the item being traded. I am seeing this occur in POE.

Example: If you see someone spamming in trade chat he or she wants to trade his or hers GMP for an outrageously low price be weary. What the douche will typically do is show his GMP in the trade window, then close the trade window and come up with some moronic reason he or she did so. Once the window is opened again he or she will then place a LMP in place of the GMP and try and trade you.

Thankfully I am used to this scam from Diablo so the three times different people tried to pull this failed.

I understand there will be some individuals that will jump in and comment saying stupid things like, " Well you have to mouse over the item before you trade it so your fault bra! "

sometimes the excitement of getting an item for an outrageous low price can cause excitement to get the best of us... so don't hate.

thanks,

Soiled

I understand this is a real scam and all. However if you fall for this then you kind of deserve to get scammed. Consider it a life lesson to be more careful.

Edit: and no I would never ever in a million years do something that douchey to someone. It happened to me when I was a young Diablo 2 player. Lesson learned.

Honestly if you do that then it the good way to go on my notebook and be hunted for life in cut throat when it come out and if you play since it easy to stalk someone in this game.

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Asail wrote:

Yes I am far more harmed by losses from my game than ANY loss on your end. If you loose your life or family, doesn't affect my enjoyment of POE in one bit. Kids starve and people die EVERY DAY, it's not my problem. But those pixels mean the world to me. They are more valuable than many many people in the "real world". And clearly your argument has proven that fact; you're worthless to me. If I had to pick between fireball or your life, I'd choose fireball and destroy it in town.

Holy shit dude.

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narutoganjahbrony wrote:

It's called survival instinct. The strong prey on the weak.

Only the truly weak believe the strong are strong because they trample over the vulnerable.

People who depend on opportunism, exploitation and cheating are inevitably curb stomped and decimated by their rivals who cultivate experience and skills, who treat others with an even hand.

I've seen it at every job I've ever had, I've seen it in the lives of everyone I've ever known.

Granted we're talking about a video game so I will acquiesce none of this really matters in that sense, but integrity is being good when no one is watching, such as when you're an anonymous player in some electronic game. It's just as easy to do the right thing in a stupid video game as it is to do the wrong thing.

I wonder, if one can't even do the right thing when there's no pressure not to, how can that same person ever do the right thing under stress when it matters?

TL; DR - In the real world this attitude will get you destroyed utterly by the first person you encounter who didn't get where they are by taking shortcuts.

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OwlRaider wrote:

The only problem is that these aren't real scams

In the sense no one's actual well being is being threatened, you are correct. No one is going to not eat or get hurt or get in legal trouble because they get conned in a video game. This much I can agree with.

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OwlRaider wrote:

and the people falling for them aren't real victims. This is simple trickery which is awfully easy to avoid.

But that's not the issue. The issue is you shouldn't engage in this stupid behavior to begin with, and you certainly should not have an attitude that it's funny or okay.

The moral impetus is two fold: 1. People need to not be suckers. 2. People need to not be scammers.

It's not one or the other, it's both. In real life you need to think about what you are willing to do to physically protect yourself if it comes down to that, and at the same time, you need to not commit assault on other people. The fact the consequences are incomparable doesn't change the principle.

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OwlRaider wrote:

People can't tell what's bogus? I can understand that if you're trying to sell a fake Rolex for example, not in an online game when all you need to do is hover your mouse over the item to make sure you get what you're paying for. I mean, if someone here can't read than how is he playing this game? Seeing that he needs to read skill descriptions, item descriptions, etc. Besides, if someone can't read than he can't read this thread either...

Yes, there are many ways people might not be able to tell what's bogus. Ignorance is probably the biggest one. Also there are people in this world whose cognitive processes for figuring out what's BS and what's not do not work very well. They can't help it.

There are as many scams and cons possible as there are people and situations. I can't possibly name all the possible ways it could happen, but I feel it suffices to say it should go like this:

1. People need to decide how much they're going to stake on a trade (IE how much risk they are willing to incur), and how much time they have to learn what's a good deal and what's not.

I for example use the exchange site for guidelines, but I realize it's not the greatest guideline, but I accept the risk of that.

2. If you have leverage on someone in terms of superior knowledge, don't be an asshole. If you know that junk rare isn't worth 10 GCPs, use your conscience. Now granted this gets fuzzy, it may very well be worth something way disproportional to them that it's not worth on general market. There's not a hard guideline I'm advocating, I am just saying let's have a culture of fairness and not deceit.

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OwlRaider wrote:

The problem is not the "blame the victim" mentality, it's quite the opposite: the inability to accept responsibility for your own actions. You engage in a trade and didn't get what you payed for? You weren't paying attention, weren't careful, were too greedy(if someone offered an item for a very cheap price like the GMP/LMP example provided in the OP), etc. Besides, if someone falls to dumb tricks like this, I don't even want to know what happens to them on the internet as a whole, with all those Nigerian Prince type scams that actually cost you real money if you're dumb enough to fall for them. If anything, getting "scammed" in a game like this and than learning from it to avoid future scams which will hurt a lot more can actually be beneficial for those not bright enough to not fall to these "scams" in the first place.

Not every trade should be completely comparable to every other trade, value is subjective. However I don't think it's too much to ask that everyone realize there's such a thing as a fair and honest way of dealing with people while still making profit. Good business and good ethics are not mutually exclusive. Goodwill is an asset like any other, and being known for studiousness, fairness and having an even hand may not be as sexy as bragging about how much you ripped off some clueless person, but it's worth a lot more.

As for the "I'm teaching them to be smarter" line, I don't accept that justification. "I'm teaching them a lesson" is not a good enough reason for me, in fact I completely reject that. It's a ridiculous justification for an action that's not right.

I don't believe in utilitarian consequences based ethics. I actually did a considerable amount of research on this in graduate school. Huge scandals like Enron and Worldcom were a direct result of people thinking "oh this doesn't matter it's just numbers on paper". For a long time it's true.

The problem is, the more a human being engages in this type of behavior, the more it becomes a habit, and eventually they can justify doing anything. It starts small, in a trivial way that doesn't really matter, and it ends up in disaster.

I will agree people need to learn from their mistakes and if they do get ripped off, they need to keep it in perspective it's just an asshole in a video game and not a major life issue.

I wouldn't want anyone to treat me in such a manner however, so that's my standard for behavior. I pity the naive and gullible too, but no one died and appointed me the person to "teach them a lesson".