Warning, Old Diablo Scam now in Path of Exile

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AzraelX wrote:

If you seriously consider being scammed out of property and finances in real life, which directly affects your quality of life, to be equivalent to losing some digital stuff in a game, then you need to reevaluate your view because it's incredibly skewed. I'll give you a hint, the digital thing you lost isn't worth anything in real life. You're not going to go without food or lose your house over it.

What? The idea of 'quality of life' comes from the philosophy that time invested in things that benefit you = raised quality. How does that stray away from investing time in a video-game? For many people, the whole point behind playing (specifically) online games is to invest time in the game(s) to raise the player's quality of life. Duh.

Example:

Having a bigger room might mean nothing to a young guy who just wants to share an apartment with other gamers. If that guy can find a smaller room with better internet quality, he might be willing to take a loss from the stereotypical "quality of life" in order to enrich his own personal quality level (by trading space in his room for access to faster internet so he can game better).

That's a pretty basic level of thought and I'm surprised you are unable to sense it.

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Games are timesinks you voluntarily play for entertainment. If someone scams you or kills you or anything similar in a video game, you lose some of the time you volunteered, and nothing else. That time was specifically allotted by you as "time to play this video game", and so you "wasted" a bit of your time that you were technically wasting anyways. The same can be said for every enemy that kills you while you try to progress through the game, it makes you lose some "time spent on video games" (although it really doesn't, since you were playing for the purposes of entertainment, and you received that entertainment whether you died later or not). Real life, on the other hand, is something everyone is forced to engage in at all times and the acts you commit against people actually have meaningful consequences for them.

For many people, it's true that games are thought to be just a "waste of time". There are some problems with the argument that getting scammed in a game means a loss of time that was already 'lost' anyways. For one, time is valuable. Time is money. If someone prefers to play games rather than find a part-time job and turn their free-time into money, then there is a real-world level of value for that game. This is doubly true when you take into account the fact that the virtual items made available in the game are actually possible to sell for real-world currency. That right there kinda dismantles the idea of time wasted from scams being time that was wasted to begin with.

I'd also like to point out that from a more moral standpoint, no one can really claim that one person is "wasting" their time to begin with, since each person has a different potential level of personal worth when evaluating the pros and cons of spending time on a video-game. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

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It's kind of disturbing there are people who can't make the distinction between reality and fantasy.

Well, buddy, to me it's kind of disturbing that there are people who can't figure out that different people place different values on different things.

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AzraelX wrote:

Someone not picking up on obvious satire and making a fool out of themselves in the process never gets old haha.

Perhaps, but I still got a laugh out of it. I'm not the only one making a fool of myself here.

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mightymeowth wrote:

Well, buddy, to me it's kind of disturbing that there are people who can't figure out that different people place different values on different things.

I'm pretty sure you are disturbed, quite literally. That's an appropriate title to give someone who thinks someone losing their house in real life isn't worse than someone losing a skill gem in Path of Exile.

"Different values for different things" only goes so far. When you're not valuing food, shelter, and other necessities to live over digital stuff in some video game you play, you need serious professional help.

Someone with that mindset can safely be called completely delusional and detached from reality.

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Jarchan wrote:

Perhaps, but I still got a laugh out of it. I'm not the only one making a fool of myself here.

You certainly aren't, there's two or three others here as well.

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AzraelX wrote:

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mightymeowth wrote:

Well, buddy, to me it's kind of disturbing that there are people who can't figure out that different people place different values on different things.

I'm pretty sure you are disturbed, quite literally. That's an appropriate title to give someone who thinks someone losing their house in real life isn't worse than someone losing a skill gem in Path of Exile.

"Different values for different things" only goes so far. When you're not valuing food, shelter, and other necessities to live over digital stuff in some video game you play, you need serious professional help.

Someone with that mindset can safely be called completely delusional and detached from reality.

Lets ignore this guy, he is doing two things, looking through posts until he find something and twists it until it fits his purpose and if he cant do this he is doing the "placing fingers in the ears'lalala can't hear you'"-thing.

He is to stupid to understand, that virtual goods do have a real worth and are treated as such by the law (again, you can face prison in germany for stealing virtual goods from online games). And he is to unemphatic to understand that different people got different values and that he is in absolutely no position to define them.

BTT: I would really like something like a "report scam" option. But i think atm the support doesnt have the manpower to handle it :/

you have to mouse over items (and I would advice LOOKING) before you can unlock the accept trade button


the should make this game free (which it is) but for account making they should let you verify your ID

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Fa9Seeds wrote:

There's many kids here with autism that needed to know this.

Why the hell do you think Autism is a joke? Man if I had mod powers id of banned you on the spot.

Jokes are cool, light trolling, sure ok. We all can have fun and give/take but dude, have you no shame?

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LunacyPolish wrote:

The blame the victim mentality in these games when it comes to trading scams is crazy.

YES you absolutely have to watch out keep your common sense and be wary. However you should also always be honest and forthright.

This whole idea of scamming the naive being somehow acceptable disgusted me back in D2 and it disgusts me now.

There are people in this world who genuinely can't tell when something is bogus and human psychology is vulnerable to persuasion tactics even if the person in question is very sharp. The idea it is okay to cultivate this culture of duplicity is a terrible one.

I know it is just a game but I am too old for this kind of chicken sh#t ripoff scam. OP thanks for doing the community a favor and reminding everyone this is happening.

The only problem is that these aren't real scams and the people falling for them aren't real victims. This is simple trickery which is awfully easy to avoid. People can't tell what's bogus? I can understand that if you're trying to sell a fake Rolex for example, not in an online game when all you need to do is hover your mouse over the item to make sure you get what you're paying for. I mean, if someone here can't read than how is he playing this game? Seeing that he needs to read skill descriptions, item descriptions, etc. Besides, if someone can't read than he can't read this thread either...

The problem is not the "blame the victim" mentality, it's quite the opposite: the inability to accept responsibility for your own actions. You engage in a trade and didn't get what you payed for? You weren't paying attention, weren't careful, were too greedy(if someone offered an item for a very cheap price like the GMP/LMP example provided in the OP), etc. Besides, if someone falls to dumb tricks like this, I don't even want to know what happens to them on the internet as a whole, with all those Nigerian Prince type scams that actually cost you real money if you're dumb enough to fall for them. If anything, getting "scammed" in a game like this and than learning from it to avoid future scams which will hurt a lot more can actually be beneficial for those not bright enough to not fall to these "scams" in the first place.

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Fa9Seeds wrote:

There's many kids here with autism that needed to know this.

Why the hell do you think Autism is a joke? Man if I had mod powers id of banned you on the spot.

Jokes are cool, light trolling, sure ok. We all can have fun and give/take but dude, have you no shame?

Where does he say its a joke? You are putting words in his mouth.

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AzraelX wrote:

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Asail wrote:

You know, you can chop your dick off and take it to a bank, pawn shop, or any other service that provides money for goods.

This is the stupidest post I've ever read.

If you don't like losing your virtual crap to scammers, then be more careful while trading, or don't choose to play video games which allow scamming in the first place. You choose to play a game with consequences, and then badmouth anyone who causes those consequences using the game's mechanics? No one is being forced to play a game which allows players to negatively interact with each other.

If you don't want players negatively interacting with you, why would you play such a game? I wonder if you're aware of the nearly infinite number of games available to you, and that you aren't obligated to just play this one. It seems you aren't, since you're here instead, talking badly about people who are playing the actual game, instead of the game as you imagine it should be.

At any rate, you're comparing real life harm against a human being to the loss of digital goods in a video game you're playing voluntarily. It's apples to oranges, and pretty disturbing you think they're even relatable.

Some people need to take a serious break from video games altogether until they understand they can differentiate reality from fantasy. This level of detachment from the real world is pretty disgusting.

Seems like you are even more stupid that I imagined. You have NO argument at all. You are simply trying to convince people that a game is different from real life, which is a pointless argument because everyone knows. Then you are saying that there is nothing wrong with getting scammed or cheated in a game, purely based on the point that it happens in a game... and it isn't the "real world". And you wonder why you aren't getting your "point" across.

If a human being finds something valuable and then gets that thing stolen from him/her, then harm is done. It doesn't matter if it is real or not as long as he/she considers it worthwhile.

Yes I am far more harmed by losses from my game than ANY loss on your end. If you loose your life or family, doesn't affect my enjoyment of POE in one bit. Kids starve and people die EVERY DAY, it's not my problem. But those pixels mean the world to me. They are more valuable than many many people in the "real world". And clearly your argument has proven that fact; you're worthless to me. If I had to pick between fireball or your life, I'd choose fireball and destroy it in town.

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Fa9Seeds wrote:

There's many kids here with autism that needed to know this.

Because Autism is funny...
Heres some food, go back to your bridge.

I have Aspgers, and yeah, it's pretty funny.

Besides, OP you clearly have to mouse over an item before you can trade, if somebody actually is stupid enough to fall for this, THEY DESERVE IT.

What is with people nowadays and all their bullshit about people "deserving what they get"? I don't understand these posts at all.

What fear exactly causes you to post something like this? Newsflash: everybody in all of life "deserves" everything that happens to them; if a fucking infant gets run over by a car, "they deserve it" for playing in the steet. If your granny dies of cancer, "she deserves it" for having cells and being alive. So what? Does that mean we shouldn't help people?

The OP actually has a miraculous power to change whether or not people "deserve it" by informing the ignorant about this potential scam. So do they deserve it or not? Think about it. I know LIFE IS SO HARSH and all that and ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE but perhaps it's not such a fucking sin to take 5 minutes out of your day to help somebody, despite the fact that "THEY DESERVE IT".



PS: One very common scam is lying about Item Level. Make sure you hold Alt in trade window to check.