Ok, it is time to stop this poe.trade silliness.

Trade after Desync has been my biggest 'GRRH too mad' to play this game.

This league, first guy I copy N pasted from PoE.trade spent about 20mins abusing me.

Anyways, next group of about 10 people didn't reply, were afk auto-reply, or offline.

It's such a paradox. I'll have spree's where I won't eat, sleep, toilet, shower, or 'live' properly.
Then, I'll go to 'I can't face it, this is soo f'ed'.

It's SOO wrong when you spend as much time building empathy to trade for your endgame gear as you do leveling...



Fine, there's been about 4-6 people that were loverly, that chatted a bit. There's been 10-20 people who don't say anything and just trade fast.
But mostly... It drives me fuckin mental!



Ok, the last thing I went to buy in Ess.
A friend of mine, has been playing the game solo, killed Brutus on there own toon, own build.
I soo proud! I thought I'd grab them a gift for there 'main' in league they been leveling with me.

Msg the 10 or so pplz with 'good rolls' on boots she'll need. Online Only...

Only 1 ever replyed!!! This is first week of league, and only searching online people!

They decided they changed there mind, and they were going to keep the item.

15-20 mins later... lots of begging. 600% the cost of what they would find 'worthwile' to sell it for, and I get the item.




Anyway,
I've got 100's of 'drives me soo mad I can't play the game' trade storys. Everyone I speak too dose. Fuck I got a few friends that just wont play unless I 'deal with trade' and get them stuff.

I keep eye'ing off the bigger supporter packs. But years of this gripe makes me really feel, 'nar fuck em' I'd rather spend my $ on something I find fun in real life.

Tis sad, I soo love GGG /this game. But years of 'this' trade has jaded me and made me resentful.

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HellGauss wrote:

@Scrotie
There is still the problem that I can set a minimum bid using an alternate account (hidden or public as the seller wishes). It IS a problem.

Foiled again! But seriously, thanks for finding the errors in my logic.

I think I'll have to revert to my previous stance against offline trading. Buyers simply cannot exert pricing skill against what is essentially a robot.

@Perq: The main, easy thing which is needed is a reliable "is user online" and "user is AFK" API so you don't waste time whispering offline players. Players who bot to remain dodge AFK must be investigated and punished. poe.trade needs to stop supporting the "click to stay online" function as it is obviously being abused.

I'm for fake pricing - you will get no agreement from me regarding eliminating that - but fake online is nothing but tedium.

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goetzjam wrote:

The least common denominator is that people in general are dissatisfied because people in the community are toxic. They post fake listings, they manipulate the market and they can get away with it without being punished. Sorry, people are bad, that doesn't mean the system is bad or needs replaced, it means that adjustments are needed on your part to ensure that these peoples time aren't worth it in the end.

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So your complaints are mostly unfounded and the tl;dr of your post and anyone "complaining" about trade is GGG hasn't done anything to fix the system, so just replace it instead. This aligns perfectly with the short minded, casual player base this game is apparently catering to now.

^- That's kinda 'it'.
I don't want to be FORCED to deal with a toxic community.

If I want to run a 4-6man party of top teir maps, and want to swap around 2 tallents to help the group... I'd like to be able to buy 2 regets no fuss. Not 2.5hrs of people only replying to 'scam' me on other currencys or trade for a FULL EX worth.

The very basics are worse than a shady drug deal!


Why/how is this a 'only casual players' want non-bullshit non-fun trade issue?
Wouldn't it be better to have a more 'fair for all' trade system, and start balancing the game around 'good geared good players' instead of ok for 'trash gear' majority?

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Bweaty wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

The least common denominator is that people in general are dissatisfied because people in the community are toxic. They post fake listings, they manipulate the market and they can get away with it without being punished. Sorry, people are bad, that doesn't mean the system is bad or needs replaced, it means that adjustments are needed on your part to ensure that these peoples time aren't worth it in the end.

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So your complaints are mostly unfounded and the tl;dr of your post and anyone "complaining" about trade is GGG hasn't done anything to fix the system, so just replace it instead. This aligns perfectly with the short minded, casual player base this game is apparently catering to now.

^- That's kinda 'it'.
I don't want to be FORCED to deal with a toxic community.

If I want to run a 4-6man party of top teir maps, and want to swap around 2 tallents to help the group... I'd like to be able to buy 2 regets no fuss. Not 2.5hrs of people only replying to 'scam' me on other currencys or trade for a FULL EX worth.

The very basics are worse than a shady drug deal!


Why/how is this a 'only casual players' want non-bullshit non-fun trade issue?
Wouldn't it be better to have a more 'fair for all' trade system, and start balancing the game around 'good geared good players' instead of ok for 'trash gear' majority?

Then don't deal with the toxic people. Don't message the cheapest people and hopefully the online\afk\dnd thing is addressed as that is the "main" issue with the current system already.

Much like in real life if a deal is too good to be true, it most likely is, stop wasting your time and feeding the trolls.

In terms of but 2 regrets, you can buy them at the vendor if you only need 2, chances are that that rate is very similar to what you can buy from another player.

It doesn't take fucking 2.5 hours to buy 2 regets LOL. I can see running into issues if you want to buy bulk or don't view the rate as good, but it is what other players or the vendor is willing to sell you it for.


The causal mindset of the current system can't work because it requires the seller to put effort into listing his item and the buyer into finding it and contacting the seller is what I'm talking about for the casual player mindset. It doesn't work now (except it does) so it must be replaced because "im basically too stupid to work around the downsides"

The system is literally a player driven market, its fair for all, suggesting otherwise is just ignorant.

I'm seriously thinking about turning on trade chat.

Receiving an automatic reply if an item is not in the location registered by poe.trade (sold or otherwise) would be nice.

my simple rules that made things easier for me:

-keep out of anything that is worth 2c or less
-if you need gems, always look for someone who has put them up like in the past 3 hours or has multiple for sale

-always ignore the cheapest ones and .99 dudes except for really expensive items
-when buying currencies, always pick up someone who has his stock-amount public and have enough what you need.

result: no idiots, scammers, no no-response dudes, afk/lab/other league still happens but usually i atleast get a response.

Same thing as IRL, if you wanna be greedy and cheap, you'll find people alike xD

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Perq wrote:

I was against the trading house (lets not use auction house term, cuz triggered), for the longest time. But time is up... :/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/53dooa/psaanother_one_to_add_to_your_blacklist/

I was against it because there are some reasons which would potentially make it bad, but at this point cons of poe.trade trading are far worse than TH™ (Trading House™). Lets list some reasons:

1. Market manipulation.

Which is pure fuckery. I mean, sorry, but there is no other word to describe this. The worst about TH would be bots buying out things and then relisting them for more. While this is very bad for players who do not know prices, given you can actually look up prices, it wouldn't happen that often.
And because of how things look now, in most cases NEW PLAYERS ARE FUCKED OVER THE MOST. You don't know current meta? Didn't PM every single greedy-bastard listing their bait-prices? Well, too bad, you're gonna get shafted, while some neck-beard gets another free item.
This is absolutely beyond the point of being acceptable.

2. poe.trade is 3rd part.

Not only it looks amateur from development standpoint, but also gives GGG 0 control over what happens to the platform. The day poe.trade goes away, PoE is fucking dead (Well, SSF will remain, but that is not that big of a portion of players - nothing against them, tho, so don't get your jimmies rustled).
It is unprofessional to depends on 3rd part so much, while advertising your game as trade based. Nothing wrong in community doing some work with guides and builds, but basing whole aspect of your game, including game balance, on 3rd part is simply a bad move.
Also - while new players are being screwed over by market manipulation on poe.trade, those who don't even get to know that poe.trade exists are screwed over EVEN HARDER. There is absolutely no way to know that there is poe.trade action going on, unless someone tells you. This, again, looks amateur from GGG's standpoint.

3. Player interactions... haha!

We all know how much of a joke this is, so I won't even bother explaining this. What I will tell is that because of how much hassle you have to go through with trading, trading anything with low value (probably around 1alch-1c) is almost impossible. People will list those and never respond, or don't even list at all, because it is not worth the time to trade with such small values.
Because of that trading maps with mods that can be done by other build, but not yours, or trading maps to get your Atlas completed doesn't work.
Also, because higher tier maps are more expensive, you end up in a situation where buying low tier maps (again, new players) is almost impossible, while higher tier maps are available.

Discuss. I'm pretty tired with poe.trade. :(

You realize they posted that they are making a global market and removing Poe.trade. Right?

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goetzjam wrote:

Then don't deal with the toxic people. Don't message the cheapest people and hopefully the online\afk\dnd thing is addressed as that is the "main" issue with the current system already.

Much like in real life if a deal is too good to be true, it most likely is, stop wasting your time and feeding the trolls.

In terms of but 2 regrets, you can buy them at the vendor if you only need 2, chances are that that rate is very similar to what you can buy from another player.

It doesn't take fucking 2.5 hours to buy 2 regets LOL. I can see running into issues if you want to buy bulk or don't view the rate as good, but it is what other players or the vendor is willing to sell you it for.


The causal mindset of the current system can't work because it requires the seller to put effort into listing his item and the buyer into finding it and contacting the seller is what I'm talking about for the casual player mindset. It doesn't work now (except it does) so it must be replaced because "im basically too stupid to work around the downsides"

The system is literally a player driven market, its fair for all, suggesting otherwise is just ignorant.

It's not 'that' sipmle tho. 10 'ok rolled' items up. Msg them all... It's very dependent on time of day.
It's sad, but I find it best to get RU or German peak times. 'mecria peak times, you either get totally nice people, or the very opersit.
It's crazy, but it's nice when they don't speak english and you have very few key words like "25x chaos + 40 vaal, good?"


There WAS a time, when spent over 2.5hrs on notice boards N cycling thru trade, when I didn't have the scouring. I was trying for a 6chaos ea for regets. Sure it was only once, on one super crappy day...

But you enforce my actual point. Currency on a vendor, no hassils, no bullshit.


It's not fair tho!
You got people who run web spiders that have database's of all the mods, what can roll/be crafted into something good. Have you ever tried to explain how to price 'yellows' to a new player. That you really want to use a 3rd party website to look up the possible rolls.

You got guilds/groups supporting the 'big guys', they do all the selling/trading.
If you actually have to 'be a shop' and drop maps/charges/momentum, your at a HUGE loss if your caring about ladders etc.

If your a big streamer, I notice lots of them just ask there viewer's and a lot of the time don't even need to use poe.trade etc.

Look at standard. There's 'that guy' who owns all the headhunters, legacys, demigods, etc. Which is fine, but he's a scamy pesty barstard. Offering 3c to 10c he'll put up for 300ex. Swapping accounts and names to pester you from differnt people over the next days.



Tho, actually. I'm pretty freakin fine with the 'unfair, life is unfair' side. It's the clunkyness and having to deal with it.
It's feudal. Maybe poe.trade and 3rd party websites are bronze age...
Whatever, at the end of the day, it's sooo time wasting, rage gaining, unfun bullshit.

yeah, acutally having afk and DND work would be a HUGE step.
X-Instance trade, also SOO huge! Shit, even if you turned off your 'trade tabs' when you left a league, and they actually turned off, that'd save me feeling like a Ahole for not trading/swapping leagues, or getting mad when I do and the guy fucks me around for 5mins when I'm mid map.


Anyway, I'm soo not wanting a nanny state, crazy AH setup.
I just want SOME tools, so I don't have to drop what I'm doing mid map to go off to some other league.
Same for buying. It shouldn't be 'very lucky' to find someone actually online who says they online, and will actually talk/trade.

I mean, holy shit, how GGGenius would it be to have a 'Trade & Chat' mobile phone app, like 'a few other games' so I can trade while out N about, or have it next to me while I'm maping...

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lequyan98 wrote:

I'm amused by the level of self deceit of the people who say "Poe.trade" is great.

Pm 10 people without getting any replies is not great.
AFK all the time is not great
Price manipulation is not great

On another note: What do guys think if we implement an auction house, and then increase the rarity of items to balance it out? That way we get the convenience of automatic trading, and no "value of all item are reduced" issue.

Imo there are way too many unique items anyways (especially low level ones). These uniques make the leveling process easier, and because of how common they are, everyone use them while leveling, therefore stating that leveling is boring and too easy. One good example of leveling item that is somewhat rare, but still desired for leveling is Tabula - it holds its price pretty well.
HC have much healthier leveling unique market, since people RIP from time to time, but rarely with leveling items, meaning they are bound to pile up, too. Think it would be better if they were less common. :-v