Ok, it is time to stop this poe.trade silliness.
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Poe.trade is great. It offers the players an easy way to search and view items other players are currently interested in finding items and a simple means to get in touch with players in game through the copy and paste method they use. It also allows players looking to trade items a way to effectively display the items they are interested in trading without having to post in trade chat every few minutes. This helps players continue to focus on clearing game content as they will not have to stop to message in trade chat over and over or even adjust their trade chat message, instead they can just put the items they find and want to trade in one of their trade tabs set a price and basically forget about it until someone whispers them that they would like to purchase it. In essence it simplifies things and is a great way to trade items.
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I'd prefer no third party sites at all. Fuck it, I'll take an AH. It's really not that bad and I just want to play the game. I don't care about gaming the economy. I like that you have to be online to sell your gear, and I would even like it if your listings wouldn't show if you were AFK. But even if there was no AH and the trade system was exactly like it is now, I still would prefer no third party sites.
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" Using a single currency for AH is not required. It can work well with multi-currency system too. Seller just should chose a currency to pay for item, and then, all bids and b/o for this item will be in that currency only. Of course, seller can choose unpopular currency ( Blsses Orbs, for example), but it's rather for trolling. Seller, who really want to sell items quick and for good price, will use popular currency (alteration orbs for cheap trash, chaos orbs for normal gear, and exalted orbs for superior gear). I dont like your part, where you say "items will not return to seller, if they werent sold". It's simply bullshit! On other hand, using AH as extra "Stash tabs" should'nt be possible either. But it could be easily solved. For example, items send to AH for sale, will be "grayed out" in player's stash tab, and couldnt be removed from that tab (also, player cant use orbs on them), until its time ran out. Of course, you'll be unable to make tab private, too. Bid are interesting, but 95%+ of items will be sold via instant buyout - because it's more convenient for both seller and buyer. I know it from other games, that had AH. To prevent abuse and market manipulations, some kind of "fee" should exist for selling an item with AH. Something around 5-10% of what was paid for it, rounded up. And the most important - info about successful deals (without player names, of course) should be available to players. Using search, they should be able to find info about deals on certain kind of items, so players will be able to detemine price for their items correctly! No more fake prices and market manipulators! IGN: MortalKombat
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There are no buyouts with my suggestion. As in not even possible.
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There is still the problem that I can set a minimum bid using an alternate account (hidden or public as the seller wishes). It IS a problem. Also, If the auction is long, as it could be if I post a quite valuable item, it is convenient to bid at the last moment waiting for possible better items on sale. There should be an advantage in bidding before, the draw event is too much unlikely to represent a good incentive. I thought about it a lot some time ago and the only solution I find is a %fee on the transfer, maybe dependent on the remaining time. Concerning the inflation, it is sufficient to allow to buy orbs ingame with that currency, maybe something like emperor luck card. This would give a stable value to the 'coin' used. Roma timezone (Italy)
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Ok, many of posters seem have to missed the point of this thread entirely.
 I'M NOT SAYING THAT POE.TRADE IS BAD. I'M NOT SAYING THAT POE.TRADE IS USELESS. Arguably, the most important point is point 2. Please, if you want to post a long-post about poe.trade being useful - I know that. We all know that. This is not a point of this thread. There are 3 points of what this thread is about, and none of it is usefulness of poe.trade (well, maybe point 1... a little bit). Sorry for confusing you, if I did in the first place! For the rest of you - good going. Some good idea for GGG. Keep it coming. So far, I'm really happy where this thread is going, and also hope GGG is monitoring it to some degree. *wink*wink* ;) Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge. Last edited by Perq#4049 on Sep 23, 2016, 5:15:46 AM
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After years crusading for the system, funny to see someone finally woke up and realised that this system is outdated and tricked by a few group of people for too long.
" And i guess you are happy with the current system abusers or maybe you are one of them. How could you know no one wants an AH when you have no idea about what they can possibly think ? Thats sounds like a random irrevelant assumption, or maybe you are the incarnation of Jean grey ? " Well everyone here knows it's almost a full time job for you since 2 years minimum, it is just a fact. " It isn't, it just the most used, but not the only one like you are suggesting. " Of course it does. Pas ici pour rendre service ;).
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Well, I wasn't crusading - from my point of view the cons over-weighted pros. I always said that 3rd part applications solving such core features is bad - I only said that AH method was a far more risky one. To be honest, this is the most important part - not the AH or not AH part.
There might be ways of solving the problem without going pure-automated AH system (bots galore), while having its obvious benefits (denying market manipulation and so on). Might be, but I can't point them out, as I haven't came out with anything like that. :P So again - I'm still not a great fan of automated system, but far bigger fan that current 3rd part, market manipulated, afk-dnd system that we currently have. Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
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" So I don't want an automated piece of shit click to buy system, therefore I'm either an abuser of the current system or happy with them. I'll give you a hint the only "abuse" No one wants what is considered a true AH, they want click to buy, everything ever discussed in all threads points to the majority of comments (of the) people make indicating click to buy, not a true auction\bid style system. So because I've defended the design of various aspects of the game, this is just an automatic defense of the game or devs instead of a defense of a system that fundamentally is fine, it just needs some polishing. I can tell you it hasn't been 2 years yet, but hey you know better. The most used is almost identical to being the only currency used, also consider for a second how much more necessary it would be to push the game into a standard style currency or using one like the chaos if such a system would be implemented. Except it doesn't. Been said time and time again that we don't really gain anything by having a web interface in game, if you don't want to really "leave the game" launch the game thru steam and enjoy that overlay, hell I think you could do origin if you wanted as well. Bam you now have an interface almost identical to what GGG would implement, congradufuckinglations you just saved so much dev time working on something that the community has done. https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285
FeelsBadMan Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF. |
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" So you don't want this to be an AH\no AH thread, but it and almost any thread involving discussion of it will always and forever be taken over by that discussion for multiple reasons. The least common denominator is that people in general are dissatisfied because people in the community are toxic. They post fake listings, they manipulate the market and they can get away with it without being punished. Sorry, people are bad, that doesn't mean the system is bad or needs replaced, it means that adjustments are needed on your part to ensure that these peoples time aren't worth it in the end. Of course no one in this thread complaining about the current system is willing to accept any responsibility here, its someone else's fault that people are posting at lower then market prices in order to manipulate people or that the \dnd or \afk thing isn't working as intended. TBH the \afk or \dnd people should list as offline or other to the API, allow people to filter out these results. But if you are trying to buy an item, just move onto the next person, its not that big of a deal in most cases, them showing online instead of not just means that you wouldnt have been able to get that item from them anyway. So your complaints are mostly unfounded and the tl;dr of your post and anyone "complaining" about trade is GGG hasn't done anything to fix the system, so just replace it instead. This aligns perfectly with the short minded, casual player base this game is apparently catering to now. https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285
FeelsBadMan Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF. |
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