Game is too fast.

Ah, as I thought. Emptyheaded trolling, per the usual.

Lol I guess you are bad at D2 HAHA man I can't imagine how you play here then.

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I_NO wrote:

What are you bad at D2 randomly? Unless it's the present which I don't know or give a fuck about it but in the past it was fast paced like I was a fucking god and I didn't even use JSP because as usual I was a trade god. Same right here same results; Fast pace not slow bullshit that some of you care about.

And I will tell you this I promise you it's not slowing down they won't even touch it in fact they will probably increase the speed.

You are talking like D2 was a balanced game... lol, it wasn't at all, and Blizzard never tried to balance it. Of course i dont think PoE is balanced, but at least we can see GGG's effort to balance it every league nerfing the worst builds that erases everything. The snapshot is one of the many examples i could use for demonstrate this. While Blizzard has never touched in 20 years of online game the balance problems, and we can see the shit that has become.

I did play offline almost all the time, and it wasn't nearly fast as this game has become. In battlenet, though, everything was easier to get, especially the rarest things (which offline would have never drop: just to mention the Griswold set, very good for the offline solo game, but that you couldn't drop even in 5000h; and in battlenet is trash, given for free for some bots, coz you could get for free even better things... not to mention those bots), so i can understand (i remember too) that you could farm VERY FAST, more than maybe you can do now (probably now the builds with 900 or more movement speed are even a lot faster than D2's Baal farm, who knows... that is an unhumanly speed that cant be compared). The fact that someone could reach that speed doesn't mean it is a right thing or the best choice for every hack&slash game. I like how PoE was some years ago: the choice they'd taken was clearly intentional, though, for the reason of attracting new "casual players" in order to expand the fan base and they money taken from them, they progressively decide to make the game faster. I won't blame them for this, maybe really it was too slow back then. But now I think we've reached the opposite situation.
Or maybe... are you trying to imply that go from lv1 to lv90 in less than 3 hours of game because someone rushes you, is good because in D2 battlenet it was possible since D2 battlenet game represents the perfection of hack&slash games that should be imitated? In solo game, doing lv90 required a fuckin insane number of hours of game played. Not to mention the crazy death penality.
D2 was never balanced for team play, nor in the online game; coz it's core was born on the offline single player game. You are comparing two things that has nothing to do each other. If you like so much D2, keep playing D2. No one will stop you. D2 is still a fun game, i recently played it with the median xl mods, a great mod. But don't come here and insult everyone's idea just because it's something that D2 is totally different, because D2 is not the unit of measure for PoE.

I do hope what you are telling won't happen. But i fear you're right, though.

jesus, this thread still going ?

Why do you people cant understand that the game speed is fine. The pace you play depends on you, If you want to play slow, play slow, no one is stopping you. Just dont complain about the game speed if you copy and pasted some guys meta build or something. I know far to well how many players struggle to use their brain to come up with something on their own, so they play brainlessly using someones else build and mirror as close as they can their gear.

The clear sped really depends on the build, and its down to you to make the right choice. Cause I can think about many slow builds one could make.


I like when my game is fast and furious, hence when I create a new build I pick the skills i like and think how i can upscale it to clear as much with 1 hit as i can.

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Miazga wrote:

jesus, this thread still going ?

Why do you people cant understand that the game speed is fine. The pace you play depends on you, If you want to play slow, play slow, no one is stopping you. Just dont complain about the game speed if you copy and pasted some guys meta build or something. I know far to well how many players struggle to use their brain to come up with something on their own, so they play brainlessly using someones else build and mirror as close as they can their gear.

The clear sped really depends on the build, and its down to you to make the right choice. Cause I can think about many slow builds one could make.


I like when my game is fast and furious, hence when I create a new build I pick the skills i like and think how i can upscale it to clear as much with 1 hit as i can.

I can see that you haven't read a single line of my posts. The problem isn't just the speed of players, I said: but you didn't read it, and that proves this.

And it is not only a question of meta builds, i said. But you didn't read even this. I did all my builds alone, taking some good idea from others and mixing it with my ideas, sometimes some build i created alone by myself (like this league, started with IW RF BV EO scion berserker/pathfinder: there wasn't any similar build like this before the ascendancy patch, nor even at the start of the perandus league; eventually even other people after some weeks almost copied it). The fact is that the speed is very high even if you dont spend a lot of points in attack speed and movement speed. I though it were clear. But it isnt... well i shouldn't be surpised if the people doesnt read, and posts.

It has nothing to do with "i pick a skill and try to upscale it to oneshot everything", cause of course this is what would players try to achieve as soon as possible, even if the game would be a lot slower. I didnt say the player's mentality needs to change, i said that the speed reachable by the average player is too high.
The game is reducing to only two numbers: HP and DPS. And this is not good, it erases every single form of strategy in battle and this, after a week of play where you took the build to the maximum level, makes the game boring. I dont have to say that this speed penalizes a lot the melee players: they are usually slower, and at the end of the game everything resolves in "i oneshot, or i will be killed", which this could be fair if the game was slower and you could actually understand what happens around you in order to react to the danger, but it isn't like this since hundreds of mobs are on you doing thousands of different skill in addition to the skills you use.

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Serge91 wrote:

The game is reducing to only two numbers: HP and DPS.

Sad but true :\

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Miazga wrote:

jesus, this thread still going ?

Why do you people cant understand that the game speed is fine. The pace you play depends on you, If you want to play slow, play slow, no one is stopping you. Just dont complain about the game speed if you copy and pasted some guys meta build or something. I know far to well how many players struggle to use their brain to come up with something on their own, so they play brainlessly using someones else build and mirror as close as they can their gear.

The clear sped really depends on the build, and its down to you to make the right choice. Cause I can think about many slow builds one could make.

I like when my game is fast and furious, hence when I create a new build I pick the skills i like and think how i can upscale it to clear as much with 1 hit as i can.

The problem is, that "the fastest build" is essentially the best build. Making tanky slow build isnt rewarded at all in PoE, cause mobs will oneshot you anyway if given a chance. Insta-killing them offscreen all the time is the best defensive strategy therefore - dead mobs cant kill you (with few exceptions (Volatiole blood, etc), which make game cancerous. Game also doesnt reward you for having high DPS but still slow clear speed - for you have to kill tons of weak mobs to be rewarded.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

The problem is, that "the fastest build" is essentially the best build. Making tanky slow build isnt rewarded at all in PoE, cause mobs will oneshot you anyway if given a chance. Insta-killing them offscreen all the time is the best defensive strategy therefore - dead mobs cant kill you (with few exceptions (Volatiole blood, etc), which make game cancerous. Game also doesnt reward you for having high DPS but still slow clear speed - for you have to kill tons of weak mobs to be rewarded.

This is only true most of the time. Ghostbusting is the exception, and you can enjoy rewards with an extremely tanky build by getting as many things ghosted as possible.

The problem with that is that it's incredibly niche, very unique dependent, and doesn't work at all until maps + some Zana leveling.

Here's an example of a RPG mechanic which rewards tanking and is easy for players to incorporate into their strategies:

Need to keep enemy alive. Need to take more enemy hits. Get moar items.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Need to keep enemy alive. Need to take more enemy hits. Get moar items.

Alternatively, there is ARPG named Blade&Sword2.
There, you get extra loot if you overkill an enemy with long combo of attacks. The longer your combo is, the more axtra loot you'll receive. This method makes killing enemies slow as fuck (for it's near impossible to "catch" multiple enemies in good combo), but you bathe in GG loot. Sometimes you even have to reduce your DPS just to be able to perform long combo (if DPS is too high, enemy can just "explode" from overkilling.

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Miazga wrote:

jesus, this thread still going ?

Why do you people cant understand that the game speed is fine. The pace you play depends on you, If you want to play slow, play slow, no one is stopping you. Just dont complain about the game speed if you copy and pasted some guys meta build or something. I know far to well how many players struggle to use their brain to come up with something on their own, so they play brainlessly using someones else build and mirror as close as they can their gear.

The clear sped really depends on the build, and its down to you to make the right choice. Cause I can think about many slow builds one could make.


I like when my game is fast and furious, hence when I create a new build I pick the skills i like and think how i can upscale it to clear as much with 1 hit as i can.

I am sorry but do you seriously think the game is in a good state because you have the ability to make really slow and bad builds? Or constrict yourself into playing solo self found? I am baffled that this could even be considered a serious argument ...

The game is not in a good state. When all there is to fear is Volatile Blood, Frost- / Fire- / Thunder- bearers, Porcupines and reflect because it deals damage after the mob is dead there is obviously something wrong with the game. Most map bosses don't even get to hit you because they are dead within 1 to 3 seconds. That shit is just plain bad.

Consistently clearing maps in 2-4 minutes per map depending on map layout / build is not a good thing.

Also "if you wanna play slow - play slow" doesn't take into account that unless you play self-found the clear speed of other players directly influences your own character performance. If I clear maps twice as fast as you and gain loot / currency twice as fast as you I can afford better gear than you. If enough players abuse the speed meta (and let's be honest. Most players do) it affects the economy so you will overall get worse gear, worse character performance and less fun (sure the last part is debatable. You might not find it less fun but can we please agree that most players would find it less fun?).
As a result you are just making your own performance worse in more than one way if you don't make an efficient build (and slow builds are per definition not efficient in this game. Sadly).

I also like things to go fast but the problem is that any difficulty, risk and feeling of achievement is quickly disappearing in PoE :( ARPG is about setting a goal and reaching that goal. It is a problem when you reach that problem in almost no time. That is why it is a problem you can lvl to 90 in no time. That is why it is a problem that race to 100 is now done in a week.

The game is not in a good state. Most players wanna reach a point where your character is really strong, fast and solid. But you don't want a game in which you reach that point in no time :(