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The difficulty might be a slight nerf, but it's only part of a bigger issue.
I've run it three times, and only just now did I find out there are "mechanics", as if this arpg is an mmo. There's nothing in-game to clue you in to that fact, except repeated trial & death. Unfortunately, each time the entire instance resets, and you have to run through it all over again.
MMOs have boss fights with mechanics. Death happens a lot in the process of learning the mechanics. But the (best) MMOs don't punish you with 30-120 minutes of repeat trash after each boss failure; at best, you suffer through 60 seconds of corpse running. That's acceptable. This requirement to repeat the whole instance after each boss death is not acceptable.
If learning mechanics is going to be required for this arpg--and I think it's a cool idea, frankly--then there needs to be a less punishing way for that to be accomplished. Portals, waypoints, or other shortcuts need to be in-place to avoid repeating the trash. Then, go nuts with whatever crazy mechanics you want. There'll always over-gearing & over-leveling available to those who don't want to play that way.
GGG is gating this content behind artificially high difficulty plus time sinks in this "repeat the trash" fashion. This is a disappointing realization.
Basically this.
Labyrinth difficulty seems okayish (even with smaller balance issues) on the big picture. But resetting the whole instance after each death is a very bad idea (no teleporting out is enough limitation for my taste).
Seems a cheap way to stretch the 'content' with that badly designed gating mechanisms for mandatory skillpoints.
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Posted bygandhar0#5532on Apr 5, 2016, 12:37:36 PM
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FarmerTed wrote:
(THIS) Also, non-elite players can do it just fine, with practice.
(PLUS THIS) I had to overlevel 9 levels and play with auras to get through.
(EQUALS) does not get this thread.
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Posted byonlinegamer1#0481on Apr 5, 2016, 1:34:36 PM
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FarmerTed wrote:
(THIS) Also, non-elite players can do it just fine, with practice.
(PLUS THIS) I had to overlevel 9 levels and play with auras to get through.
(EQUALS) does not get this thread.
Really. Because as far as boss fights go, Malachai and Atziri present a similar challenge for me. There comes a point where things start to sounds like "I have to put in effort...boo hoo"
I understand the frustration of people who have lag or desync and die to traps. I don't understand people who refuse to learn boss mechanics, hunt down trinkets, or spend time practicing to get "2 mandatory skill points" and then whine on forums.
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Posted byFarmerTed#3081on Apr 5, 2016, 1:49:37 PM
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I still don't understand that you have to be an ''elite'' to finish the lab what the fuck is wrong with some of you lol
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Posted byCoconutdoggy#1805on Apr 5, 2016, 2:03:49 PM
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no sympathy for quitters, new players like me and you OP and hackers. we are doomed unless we spend some thousands of hrs playing.
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Why instead of improving at the game you're asking for a nerf?
new-gen gamers bah
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Posted byMahesys#6567on Apr 5, 2016, 3:52:52 PM
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FarmerTed wrote:
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onlinegamer1 wrote:
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FarmerTed wrote:
(THIS) Also, non-elite players can do it just fine, with practice.
(PLUS THIS) I had to overlevel 9 levels and play with auras to get through.
(EQUALS) does not get this thread.
Really. Because as far as boss fights go, Malachai and Atziri present a similar challenge for me. There comes a point where things start to sounds like "I have to put in effort...boo hoo"
I understand the frustration of people who have lag or desync and die to traps. I don't understand people who refuse to learn boss mechanics, hunt down trinkets, or spend time practicing to get "2 mandatory skill points" and then whine on forums.
I think he's pointing out that you said it was balanced, but had to outlevel the content to do it. I don't find the lab that bad but I'd like some form of checkpoints added, it's rage inducing for the game to crash or an instance not load when your 3/4 of the way through and have to start over.
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Posted byvector292#5575on Apr 5, 2016, 3:58:12 PM
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Or just make reward 20-50 enhancement so we can just really farm and PLAY the game, not this absurd shit as we got now.
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Posted byTreeOfDead#4438on Apr 5, 2016, 4:34:42 PM
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vector292 wrote:
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FarmerTed wrote:
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onlinegamer1 wrote:
(EQUALS) does not get this thread.
Really. Because as far as boss fights go, Malachai and Atziri present a similar challenge for me. There comes a point where things start to sounds like "I have to put in effort...boo hoo"
I understand the frustration of people who have lag or desync and die to traps. I don't understand people who refuse to learn boss mechanics, hunt down trinkets, or spend time practicing to get "2 mandatory skill points" and then whine on forums.
I think he's pointing out that you said it was balanced, but had to outlevel the content to do it. I don't find the lab that bad but I'd like some form of checkpoints added, it's rage inducing for the game to crash or an instance not load when your 3/4 of the way through and have to start over.
I didn't say it was balanced, I said it was doable. I also specified that I am a bad player. So for average to bad players, it may take some extra time to get the final two points.
But Ascendancy is not mandatory, unless you are competing on the ladder. I was mapping and doing all the other stuff I normally did pre-Ascendancy.
I do agree with your point about instance crashing, but I think they don't want people to be able to pay someone to gate them into the last boss fight to get credit.
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Posted byFarmerTed#3081on Apr 5, 2016, 4:43:52 PM
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Change your trash enhancement system (grind?) on helmet please! STOP THIS BULLSHIT! 300 runs and not a single Explosive Arrow enhant? Are you joking?
Now if someone wants to make a thread to complain about the Lab here is a relevant issue ^
As for the original TS are you kidding me? Running around in a tabula with Ming's and no armor or evasion and you complain about getting killed by a physical damage dealing boss? GTFO out of here.
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