GGG & Kripp - Why?

"

LostForm wrote:

I think he plays hearthstone so much because he saw strategy when others saw complete rng. He became one of the best at it and was playing on international stages in front of international crowds. He made the roster for a professional gaming organization playing hearthstone.

He set the curve in hearthstone, shapes the meta. Much like he did in PoE, but let's face facts, GGG wasn't inviting anyone to an international stage at an international event for a PoE race in the immediate future. It is something that comes from years and years of making connections and competitive focused gaming, and even still Acti-Blizzard is the little guy on the block when it comes to e-sports-esque competition. The big boys being Valve and I suppose Riot.

One thing PoE will never pale in comparison to Hearthstone... the RNG factor.

Not just RNG... PoE actually has lottery system in place. I wonder if the chance to get a mirror drop is higher than hitting a Powerball Jackpot.

Of course it was a good idea. Relying on only fanboys to push your product only produce dissatisfied customers because fanboys never really show the downsides of the game. Kripp of course stated how much he enjoyed playing the game at the start. That alone is enough get new players to try the game. Also Kripp is a very experienced gamer he can accurately assess what needs improvement.

In all truth Ascendancy I find is lacking. Instead of opening doors to MANY completely new and untapped builds, it's just improving and buffing the old ones more or less. The disparity between casters and melee is still quite large. The most powerful and fastest clear builds from a year and a half ago are still the same skills used today with a small twist with a few small exceptions.

PoE needs many new skill gems that push entirely new concepts and mechanics. I think if you really think about it, Ascendancy is just buffing old builds to make them feel more op. Imo on the game feels like it's been getting easier for top builds. Making Totem, Clyclone, Discharge, Vaal Spark just faster and hit harder is not exactly what is going to bring a Player like Kripp back.

More Depth, more challenge, a skill tree that provides more options and freedom to create new outstanding builds, I think that is what would brink a player like Kripp back.

"

LostForm wrote:

I think he plays hearthstone so much because he saw strategy when others saw complete rng. He became one of the best at it and was playing on international stages in front of international crowds. He made the roster for a professional gaming organization playing hearthstone.

He set the curve in hearthstone, shapes the meta. Much like he did in PoE, but let's face facts, GGG wasn't inviting anyone to an international stage at an international event for a PoE race in the immediate future. It is something that comes from years and years of making connections and competitive focused gaming, and even still Acti-Blizzard is the little guy on the block when it comes to e-sports-esque competition. The big boys being Valve and I suppose Riot.

Kripp in NO way shapes the meta in hearthstone - he plays non ranked arena. In terms of 'seeing strategy' there's really not much to be said about that. He makes the highest tempo play 85% of the time, plays around card X 10% of the time, and takes calculated risks the other 5% of the time.

The only barrier to hearthstone is knowledge of the cards, and understanding of tempo and value. The game is laughably rng weighted because the skill cap is so low, and complexity so minimal.

"

innervation wrote:

"

LostForm wrote:

I think he plays hearthstone so much because he saw strategy when others saw complete rng. He became one of the best at it and was playing on international stages in front of international crowds. He made the roster for a professional gaming organization playing hearthstone.

He set the curve in hearthstone, shapes the meta. Much like he did in PoE, but let's face facts, GGG wasn't inviting anyone to an international stage at an international event for a PoE race in the immediate future. It is something that comes from years and years of making connections and competitive focused gaming, and even still Acti-Blizzard is the little guy on the block when it comes to e-sports-esque competition. The big boys being Valve and I suppose Riot.

Kripp in NO way shapes the meta in hearthstone - he plays non ranked arena. In terms of 'seeing strategy' there's really not much to be said about that. He makes the highest tempo play 85% of the time, plays around card X 10% of the time, and takes calculated risks the other 5% of the time.

The only barrier to hearthstone is knowledge of the cards, and understanding of tempo and value. The game is laughably rng weighted because the skill cap is so low, and complexity so minimal.

ok. but thanks for talking in terms that kripp et al use to define the meta in hearthstone, and for explicitly adding value to the videos kripp makes about hearthstone if you want to be better at it, you really showed me.

I'm not sure what your argument is, but if you think Kripp, or Hearthstone invented the idea of 'tempo' in a card game, you've lost the plot.

Additionally the 'meta' isn't tempo, it's the set of viable decks at the highest level of play, which invariably trickle down to equating to the majority of decks at lower levels of play. While a meta can be high tempo, mid-range, or control, those things are a part of the meta, not the definition of it.

I said define the meta not invent a word. meta is the strategies currently in use. Which you went on to ascribe the meta attribute of tempo to kripp's play style. man you are really hammering me.

"

Valkaneer wrote:

More Depth, more challenge, a skill tree that provides more options and freedom to create new outstanding builds, I think that is what would brink a player like Kripp back.

Only money will bring kripp back if ggg paid him like blizzard do and if he had same amount of viewer he will maybe but its not sure he probably now prefer play a casual game. Like most of ppl will prefer to spend 7hour at work instead of 14hours.


So many fanboy Kripp here Feel bad... Be fanboy of someone sucks hard but be fan boy of someone who just seat behind his computer and play kid card game just lol....

"

GGG & Kripp - Why?

Marketing move. And a smart one.

I am wondering what some of you would think if some famous celeb got to stream alpha? Someone that knows absolutely nothing about it but likes video games. Like Ice Cube or Cam Newton, or I don't know one of those people from those dancing/singing shows that everyone likes so much.

Would you be angry or jealous then? I mean I don't care if Ice Cube was total crap at the game I would probably just watch it for the laughs. And at the end of the day if he said meh it was fun but I'm going back to madden or something I could give two shits less. Even if I never played POE and it was a new game to me I would probably check it out after he streamed it. Why? Because there are so many video games I don't have time to try them all but if it was a popular enough game for Cam Newton to try it sure why not see if I like it.

Now I'm not saying Krip is as famous as Ice Cub or Cam Newton but in the gaming world he is famous enough to get some people to say sure why not give it a try. And yes I did give hearthstone a try even though it's cards, and not nearly as complicated as magic, and the target audience seems to be tweens. I am pretty sure most of the games I have played were recommended to me in some way. Most by friends, some by random web searches for arpgs, and some from forums just like this one.

That being said if Tom Brady, or Donald Trump streamed a video game I would probably just assume it was shit without even trying it, but hey that's marketing you win some you lose some.

I find it a little bit disappointing that GGG reached out to Kripp first for the Alpha instead of Nugi or Ziggy. Yeah sure, Kripp has a huge following and did a lot for the game back in the day. But those days are long gone, 90% of his userbase nowadays are casual players that won't find PoE too interesting. GGG should acknowledge the new generation of streamers. At the very least they let lifting/ziggy reveal some upcoming content. Should have also let Ziggy and/or Nugi be the first to have access to the Alpha.