Ascendacy Classes looks like a step backwards

"

regonix wrote:

How i view this expansion:
1) Some a little bit weaker builds will become nearly unusable. That means, that every class will have way less viable builds. 1. Why pick shadow summoner, if you can pick witch summoner and be way way more stronger/better as a summoner? 2. Why pick Marauder totemmancer, if you can pick templar totemmancer and be way way more stronger/better? Each class had some restrictions, preventing them from being "the best" on their not designed builds, compared to other classes with that main build (for example: witch, templar, shadow, scion summoners > marauder, duelist, ranger summoners), 3. but no those off-spects will become garbage, compared to other classes made for that specialization.
4. 2) It allows more late game progression. While this sounds fun and allowing more in depth customization, i am skeptical about it for now.
3) Even with many alternative builds being gutted, people will still have a lot of options to customize their classes. If we agree, that certain classes must play certain builds, then Ascendancy specializations only improves those builds, allowing even more customization for those builds.

1. You lack creativity. :P You really do.
2. You don't even know third Marauder Ascendancy, yet... Lol.
3. Or will they? Because from what I've seen so far, there is SHITTON of off-build options being actually viable, instead of simply being off-builds.
4. You have no idea what other changes GGG will make.
5. I don't quite understand the last sentence. :V

"

Perq wrote:

1. You lack creativity. :P You really do.
2. You don't even know third Marauder Ascendancy, yet... Lol.
3. Or will they? Because from what I've seen so far, there is SHITTON of off-build options being actually viable, instead of simply being off-builds.
4. You have no idea what other changes GGG will make.
5. I don't quite understand the last sentence. :V

1. Nope. I really don't.
2. We still know most of ascendancy specializations, so the picture is quite clear.
3. Haven't seen any.
4. Yes, only time will tell.
5. Too bad for you, then.

"

regonix wrote:

"

Perq wrote:

1. You lack creativity. :P You really do.
2. You don't even know third Marauder Ascendancy, yet... Lol.
3. Or will they? Because from what I've seen so far, there is SHITTON of off-build options being actually viable, instead of simply being off-builds.
4. You have no idea what other changes GGG will make.
5. I don't quite understand the last sentence. :V

1. Nope. I really don't.
2. We still know most of ascendancy specializations, so the picture is quite clear.
3. Haven't seen any.
4. Yes, only time will tell.
5. Too bad for you, then.

You 3. Haven't seen any, because 1. You lack creativity. :-v

2. Picture is not clear (for you) - if you missed (and from what I can tell, you did) pictures of Ascendancy classes, third Ascendancy for Marauder is something along the lines of a Shaman (inb4 its the exact name).
Marauder is close to Ancestral Bond Keystone, and has A LOT of connections to Totems (hello Kaom's Dream). If you connect the dots (not so hard) you'll know that this Ascendancy WILL have Totem bonuses. So no, you don't know shit, Sir. :P Do you homework before trying to prove anything. Thanks!

4. ??? My point was there is no point discussing balance issues, because you don't know whole context. I'm not making assumptions. You are. Thus I called you out on that. You can't call me out on making assumptions I didn't make. This doesn't work like this, Sir. :V

The Ascendancy Classes are mostly related to the Skill Gems and whats in that Character's Area also.

1) Shadow can still be a summoner (granted you must buy all minion gems from other characters) You can even play him most similarly to the D2 Necro as he can buy Temporal Chains (Decrepify) and Detonate Dead (Corpse Explosion)

Also.. You forgot about Templar Guardian Ascendancy being able to spec out as Aura Heavy Summoner. :P

2) The Marauder's Third Ascendancy from the theory hints that it will probably be a Spellcaster focused on Totems and Fire Damage.


3) Wild Strike Elementalist Witch, Dual Wander Gladiator Duelist, Rolling Flames + Fireball Deadeye Ranger, Lightning Warp Totem Trickster,Offering Buffed Melee Necromancer Witch.

LoL people trying so hard to justify PoE going even more diablo style class system. (just like a few yrs ago people tried so hard justifying PoE and their lack of class system making them better than diablo tho on completely opposite ground)

The whole ascendancy seems awfully similar to the original diablo where warriors can shoot fireballs, sorcs can use melee moves and ect... Classes definitely matters it would be stupid and ignorant to say otherwise.

If anything ascendancy makes PoE more diablo 1 than diablo 2 or 3... either way, Diablolisation still holds true.

Also people here so hype about the whole "blue hp"... Diablo 1 had it over a decade ago already called mana shield... and it's OP as fuck making sorcs nearly unkillable.

I've never made a Ranger before (or a Witch,) and Ascendancy makes me actually want to make one. That's diversity, right?

"

Sheriff_K wrote:

I've never made a Ranger before (or a Witch,) and Ascendancy makes me actually want to make one. That's diversity, right?

I don't view them as diversity, I view them as a push for class specific play that will lead some people away from the comfort zone and push people into classes they don't normally play.

"

Pewzor wrote:

"

Sheriff_K wrote:

I've never made a Ranger before (or a Witch,) and Ascendancy makes me actually want to make one. That's diversity, right?

I don't view them as diversity, I view them as a push for class specific play that will lead some people away from the comfort zone and push people into classes they don't normally play.

But if people weren't sampling all of the Classes in a game about rerolling and constantly making new builds/chars, this push is good. You've got to get those Dominus/Malachai kill Achievements somehow, right?

"

鬼殺し wrote:

I've already started to move out of the shadow of the Shadow, but 2.2 is really going to see a vast range of all seven classes in my roster.

Tell me about it, 90% of my roster is all Shadows...


Damnit, I just realized I'm going to have to buy Dance animations for more Classes now..
GGGs evil master plan!

"

Sheriff_K wrote:

"

鬼殺し wrote:

I've already started to move out of the shadow of the Shadow, but 2.2 is really going to see a vast range of all seven classes in my roster.

Tell me about it, 90% of my roster is all Shadows...


Damnit, I just realized I'm going to have to buy Dance animations for more Classes now..
GGGs evil master plan!

Same here, most of my characters are shadow. Only 1 Marauder and having no Ranger and no Duelist. But now, sound like making a deadeye spark caster is a great idea. Free chain free pierce, and you know what, there is 30% increased projectile speed in free chain path.

Isn't it called "diversity"? Lack of creativity is the only thing that kills diversity.