List your AH fears

"

TheAnuhart wrote:

"

flipser wrote:

- The most effective way to earn currency will narrow down to playing the AH.

As opposed to - The most effective way to earn currency narrows down to playing poe.trade - currently.

And as opposed to - The most effective way to earn currency narrowed down to playing the forum trade threads - prior to poe.trade/xyz.


It's a global, full, free trade system with no restrictions, the most effective way to earn currency was narrowed down to playing the least resistant available trading interface from day 1, whatever it may be.

Why don't more people do it then? We all know Path of Trading is the fastest and most effective way to make currency, so why don't more of us do it?

Because it is brutal to do. Remove the barrier and bring on the automation.

Wonder what will happen when people realize that their "currency" isn't money? That it's not fun. That all it will get them is more currency.

Maybe they'll go back to enjoying the game. Maybe they'll quit.

I have no fears for an AH. I welcome it with open arms for a couple of reasons.

For one it would make orb prices reach equilibrium very quickly. With transactions all taking place in the same place and in much greater volume prices will more quickly reflect reality.

Another advantage would be the death of scam exchange rates. No more paying a ~30% premium to have lower currency converted into ex. All the buyers and sellers will be competing with each other to offer the best rates. Sure there will be flippers and there will be people trying to corner niche markets, but that is happening now as well.

An AH would create a much more efficient market in general, and the potential addition of website functionality could bring about graphs showing past trends and future forecasts of the prices of uniques and currencies.

God damn would I love it. It would add a whole new world of gameplay for players like myself who already play forex like a game in real life xD

everything is easier to sell but also everything becomes devalued to the point of worthlessness (aka what happened towards the end of d3. its worth nothing or 2b)

"

Isolationyears wrote:

everything is easier to sell but also everything becomes devalued to the point of worthlessness (aka what happened towards the end of d3. its worth nothing or 2b)

PoE has the advantage of having currencies that have inherent value. If one currency or another became too devalued they could always add in another use for said currrncy, like a new master crafting mod.

"

Nasreth wrote:

"

eXecut1on wrote:

To all the people saying reduced player interaction:

"Hi, I would like to buy..."
"my ho"
"ty"
"ty"

Help me find the player interaction because I don't see it...

You may not, but I often chat with people I buy/sell from. I've made a few friends this way, was given a new build which I'm planning on using next season. Not to mention haggling and offering alternate currencies or items for a piece of gear. You can't do something like that through your typical auction house.

Quick slip in before I start my full reply...

Has anyone thought of how much a AH would improve the social aspect of PoE?


People need and want to trade fast, practically, with ease.
This is a fast paced hack'n'slasher, not a epic story line driven fantasy game with cut-scenes.

Nature tends to find a way, just like how people ruin a nice lawn because it's a bit faster than to take the 90*degree sharp turn on the sidewalk.
Not having a AH *is* that sidewalk, it's ruining our social lawn.
Man that was deep, anyone got a scuba tank for me?

This is how it manifests itself:

-Global chat is 70% PC and wtb/wts
-Trade chat is 100% eye cancer flood spam, the reason why people get frustrated and trade on global
-"Public Parties" tab is 99% wts/wtb listings.


If we had a AH, I'm absolutely positively sure, and you know it too, that the social aspect of the game would improve tremendously. The party page would be only about people wanting to actually play with others, looking for company! The global chat would be people talking about builds, gems, mods, no more wts/wtb/wtt spam, and anyone trying to would be frowned upon and reported: take it to the AH!

Trade chat would be a improved verbal marketplace, mostly dealing with unique, corrupted, special items, or "haggle roleplayers", since mass sales would be on the AH.

It would be a win-win for everybody.
Except of course for the current AH-naysayers who LOVE ripping and flipping people off,
while probably being on a power trip by feeding on two things;
being the only ones who know what items are worth, and having the currency to obtain them.

This creates a cycle of them staying in power, and a AH would cut them off. That's why they come up with failed pseudo arguments against any system that would diminish their market power.
Everyone via AH transparency would be exposed to the true value of items,
making the elite sharks fall from their exalted ivory towers.

That... That's actually a really good point that I hadn't considered. Consolidated, easy trading means that trading isn't splattered all over every other social aspect of the game.

Goddamn, that's a really good point.

"

Antnee wrote:

That... That's actually a really good point that I hadn't considered. Consolidated, easy trading means that trading isn't splattered all over every other social aspect of the game.

Goddamn, that's a really good point.

Thanks, and think about this too:

How much time does a Wow player spend on the AH?
10% 90%? Ask anyone, and he still has a ton of buddies in his friend list and the guild, constantly talking chatting, socialising, roleplaying...

A) Trades are kept out of social channels
B) These social channels are superb due to the customized chat ui (which GGG should copy tbh)

People who claim the AH is a threat or a negative entity, are plain ignorant.

"

grant_m wrote:

So you're saying Chris is ignorant?

I feel that anyone comparing this game to WoW are ignorant.

Chris is a clever businessman.
PoE is his business and he's doing very well with it.
That does not mean that trading in PoE is optimized or user-friendly.
He wants people to hoard items, because we never know what's needed or going to sell, or when.
Brilliant stash tab sales strategy.

He should create a AH system, and just cash in with other things than stash tabs.
Lots of possibilities to do that I'm sure.