List your AH fears

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I_NO wrote:
Don't have a fear because there won't ever be one.
I just have an irrational hatred for it (from D3) and I love POE's model with community/third party support. Players are the best to develop alot of stuff and I would argue that games that allows the community to contribute has a greater longevity. Dunno why people cry over "third party" tools.

We would not have great tools such as Aquisition if GGG did their own, and that would probably not be as good as the tools we have now.
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rondanashu wrote:
I just have an irrational hatred for it (from D3) and I love POE's model with community/third party support. Players are the best to develop alot of stuff and I would argue that games that allows the community to contribute has a greater longevity. Dunno why people cry over "third party" tools.

We would not have great tools such as Aquisition if GGG did their own, and that would probably not be as good as the tools we have now.


Agreed. That's why they should be looking at game mechanisms which improve that experience... not to try to replace them.
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I_NO wrote:
Don't have a fear because there won't ever be one.
Not an AH since there should not be auctioning but just a screen to search for items to buy and just pay what the seller asks for, the item is yours. No bidding needed, just search and buy. Not sure how this is bad for POE.
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CindyCorselle wrote:
Not an AH since there should not be auctioning but just a screen to search for items to buy and just pay what the seller asks for, the item is yours. No bidding needed, just search and buy.


Exactly what an AH in WoW is for example and on which i describe my concerns on the first reply.
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flipser wrote:
After playing couple of games with an AH I noticed the following facts, which I disliked and fear for them to reoccur, if PoE establishes and AH:

- Meta Items, used in promoted builds will get very expensive, because flipping is made easy.
-> New players can't play the buid of the week, for example.
-> I will have to invest more, when trying out some popular builds.

-Useful leveling Items will get very cheap and very hard to sell because of the huge supply.
-> I earn quite some chaos, selling leveling items like Goldrims or Wanderlust. The items are great and have a huge value to the levelling player, no need to get them for "free" (even though, if I see its a new player i often gifted them, but that's another story and part of socialization).

- The most effective way to earn currency will narrow down to playing the AH.
-> The span between the average player, seeking joy in the game and the guys playing Wallstreet in terms of networth will increase.
-> I will spend more and more time on the AH and less playing the game.

- External software for efficent AH scanning will get more demand.
-> New rules in terms of 3rd party software influencing the game directly will have to be set up by GGG, looking at current terms regarding Macros, I don't think the terms will be clear within reasonable time (who can tell me if a macro'd key to use and ID scroll is legal?)
-> Scanning Software such as Auctioneer in WoW for example where often subject to scams, tojans, etc.
-> Established Databases were traded for real Money (WoW, D3), because they are the key to effectively scanning and trending items.

- The socialization will decrease.
-> I like to haggle.
-> I like to think about builds that my trade partner might be playing after she/ he purchased a specific item or jewel. Sometimes we start chatting. One of my former customers is a mapping friend to me nowadays.
-> I like to show off my hideout.

-Where will the items be stored, which you want to sell? In the AH itsself?
-> GGG will earn less money from stash tab sales (all my donations went towards tab for now). -> less money for the server

Please do not establish a typical WoW-style AH. Thank you.


I see no difference to the current situation with poe.trade. All this is already happening.
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CindyCorselle wrote:
Not an AH since there should not be auctioning but just a screen to search for items to buy and just pay what the seller asks for, the item is yours. No bidding needed, just search and buy. Not sure how this is bad for POE.


More people will open shops. Those shops are now all open 24/7. Unless you have something truly special, it is a giant race to the bottom. With god knows how many more of item x available, buyers will only purchase the lowest priced. Currently, people don't list items below a floor (say an alch) because it isn't worth the time. Well if it takes no time, how about 3 portal scrolls for a redbeak?
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Shagsbeard wrote:
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RandallPOE wrote:
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Shagsbeard wrote:
An email system (which has been suggested time and time again) would be great for both parties.


Sounds like a downgrade over what we currently have


Everyone's welcome to their opinions.

I think that having to leave what you're doing to deal with a trade is too intrusive to make it worth doing. With an email system, traders could tend trades when they felt like it. Impatient buyers would be able to find people who were more "active" by paying better and thus rewarding the active seller over the "busy" one. Having this option would make both types of sellers happy. The only people who would be bothered by it are the buyers who want instant gratification with no interaction with the seller. We've been told that's not happening.


Sounds like you don't really want to be bothered with people who want your items you have put up in your own shop. If you don't have a shop and don't post anything in trade chat then people will not bother you. If you have a shop then you have to be willing to take some time to get rid of those items you don't want to trade to those who do want them. Not sure where the bother is with the current system.


Overall, I don't want an AH. It could make currency buying with real money even more common than it already is which might ruin the economy. I like the current system and don't feel that a change is needed at all.
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Shagsbeard wrote:
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RandallPOE wrote:
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Shagsbeard wrote:
An email system (which has been suggested time and time again) would be great for both parties.


Sounds like a downgrade over what we currently have


Everyone's welcome to their opinions.

I think that having to leave what you're doing to deal with a trade is too intrusive to make it worth doing. With an email system, traders could tend trades when they felt like it. Impatient buyers would be able to find people who were more "active" by paying better and thus rewarding the active seller over the "busy" one. Having this option would make both types of sellers happy. The only people who would be bothered by it are the buyers who want instant gratification with no interaction with the seller. We've been told that's not happening.


I've played a game with such a mail system for trading and it worked quite well. There are a couple of things you have to watch out for as developer but it's certainly a well tested and clean system that is easy to work with for both seller and buyer.

I'd be very much in favor of such a system.
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