Endgame Gear Impossible to Get or Just an Illusion?

Chris from GGG has said numerous times that this is exactly his goal - hardcore grinding game. It is not unusual to have to spend 3k hours to have 1 expensive build, so basically that means you have to play a few hours every day for several years to come close to that.

I don't like it myself, so I just come back to the game every few months for 200 hours or so and then get bored, but I'm sure the guys at GGG are doing their numbers and they are happy with the player base that they have. I doubt POE will ever have thousands of viewers on twitch like other games, and that is not their goal either.

Hope that helps you mate :) GL!

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deathflower wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

Endgame gear is not perfect gear, there is a massive difference in that.

your stuck in the D3 mindset that you need near perfect 6 t1 affix items in all slots to be "endgame."

You can be endgame with 1/100th of the price of a mirror. ((Prob even cheaper)

Being perfect in everything should be long term and nearly impossible for the "average" player to get, that's the point. If you move perfect down, that changes the item grind in alot more drastic ways then you think.

Yet again I repeat, you can beat everything in the game not even spending 1 mirror worth of gear and 100% steamroll it. Endgame not is not perfect gear, if you don't want to farm end game gear after hitting level 90+ and beating everything it's okay. Play another game, wait until another ladder, play a new character. Just don't rage on the forums that you can't "finish your character." After enjoying the game for 100+ hours.

Why should it be? The problem of many online games is they have to keep their players playing, one of the means of doing that is they have atrocious drop rate. They need an unachievable goal. It is like putting a carrot in front of the donkey to keep him moving. I wonder why killing the same monster or clearing the same map over and over again is anything fun at all. They want people doing it for months and years, well it probably isn't fun. Well, that is why you need that carrot.

There is plenty of carrots on the stick.

First you get 1 alch/chaos item, then you go to a few chaos, then a dozen, then you go into exalt, then a few exalts, then half a dozen exalts, then you get into a dozen exalt and then the finally GG 30 exalt/6 link range.

The MAIN problem is there is nothing after that, then you get to jump to mirror level items. (300 exalts?)

I would support more item tiers above 6-link/30 exalt GG items so you can work your way up to mirror items in more steps, but moving the top down doesn't really fix the game. Most people who complain that they can't get mirror items are in the 6link/30 exalt range or one step below aren't going to be anymore happy or play any longer if the next step is mirror level item. (There wouldn't be that much more content or farming since it's just one step up)

Or a way to boost your items using alot of orbs that is only bound of your account or someshit. I do understand there is no carrot on a stick for some players, but they do need to understand they already truly played the game for a ton amount of hours to begin with.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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deathflower wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

Endgame gear is not perfect gear, there is a massive difference in that.

your stuck in the D3 mindset that you need near perfect 6 t1 affix items in all slots to be "endgame."

You can be endgame with 1/100th of the price of a mirror. ((Prob even cheaper)

Being perfect in everything should be long term and nearly impossible for the "average" player to get, that's the point. If you move perfect down, that changes the item grind in alot more drastic ways then you think.

Yet again I repeat, you can beat everything in the game not even spending 1 mirror worth of gear and 100% steamroll it. Endgame not is not perfect gear, if you don't want to farm end game gear after hitting level 90+ and beating everything it's okay. Play another game, wait until another ladder, play a new character. Just don't rage on the forums that you can't "finish your character." After enjoying the game for 100+ hours.

Why should it be? The problem of many online games is they have to keep their players playing, one of the means of doing that is they have atrocious drop rate. They need an unachievable goal. It is like putting a carrot in front of the donkey to keep him moving. I wonder why killing the same monster or clearing the same map over and over again is anything fun at all. They want people doing it for months and years, well it probably isn't fun. Well, that is why you need that carrot.

There is plenty of carrots on the stick.

First you get 1 alch/chaos item, then you go to a few chaos, then a dozen, then you go into exalt, then a few exalts, then half a dozen exalts, then you get into a dozen exalt and then the finally GG 30 exalt/6 link range.

The MAIN problem is there is nothing after that, then you get to jump to mirror level items. (300 exalts?)

I would support more item tiers above 6-link/30 exalt GG items so you can work your way up to mirror items in more steps, but moving the top down doesn't really fix the game. Most people who complain that they can't get mirror items are in the 6link/30 exalt range or one step below aren't going to be anymore happy or play any longer if the next step is mirror level item. (There wouldn't be that much more content or farming since it's just one step up)

Or a way to boost your items using alot of orbs that is only bound of your account or someshit. I do understand there is no carrot on a stick for some players, but they do need to understand they already truly played the game for a ton amount of hours to begin with.

I once had an argument with the creator of a mod of another game. He want to make a higher difficulty mod. The problem is he wanted to increase the drop rate in his mod as well. I argue that increase drop rate make the game easier and should be removed. There is a inherent problem with getting better items, the game get easier with better items. Eventually he agree with me that it is indeed true. The game will get more boring obtaining endgame gear because the difficulty level just drop off.

The real problem here is, that "the grass is always greener on the other side"

Endgamegear is not the holy grale. The need for this is completely artificial. If you want it, work harder and or be smarter.

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MangoXL wrote:

The real problem here is, that "the grass is always greener on the other side"

Endgamegear is not the holy grale. The need for this is completely artificial. If you want it, work harder and or be smarter.

You can find decent gears with grinding, sure. But if you want all 6 modifiers to all line properly with T1 stat, it is improbable. You can't grind for these gears, the odds of finding them is astronomically low, so the better solution is actually you are gonna trade for them. Somehow this remind me of D3 auction house.

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MangoXL wrote:

The real problem here is, that "the grass is always greener on the other side"

Endgamegear is not the holy grale. The need for this is completely artificial. If you want it, work harder and or be smarter.

This also pretty much sums up a big part of this subject and it comes down to the simple ability to make an effective build, you can easily get into maps and be clearing lvl74-75 on cheap gear, if you know how to put a build together properly. But it takes time and a lot of experience. Another part of this is knowing what mobs are always going to do, play long enough and you know exactly how to deal with and adapt to everything in the game.

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deathflower wrote:

You can find decent gears with grinding, sure. But if you want all 6 modifiers to all line properly with T1 stat, it is improbable. You can't grind for these gears, the odds of finding them is astronomically low, so the better solution is actually you are gonna trade for them. Somehow this remind me of D3 auction house.

I have been playing since closed beta and never had an item with 6 mods lined up perfectly, and I do not ever really expect it, unless a mirror happens to drop. And why would you care? And they obviously do drop for some people, this is the beauty of the game imo, you might never get it after years of playing, but you could get it tomorrow. It is also why I play to make a build on what interesting item may drop, not grind for profit to just buy something perfect; let the nature of rng/fate to decide.

It really is grass is greener and people want too much. People should just enjoy the process of playing the game, and stop wanting perfection; or go race, or do self found. Half the people with all the mirror gear and excess wealth are RMT traders or customers anyway.

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ZeroHate wrote:

I have been playing since closed beta and never had an item with 6 mods lined up perfectly, and I do not ever really expect it, unless a mirror happens to drop. And why would you care? And they obviously do drop for some people, this is the beauty of the game imo, you might never get it after years of playing, but you could get it tomorrow. It is also why I play to make a build on what interesting item may drop, not grind for profit to just buy something perfect; let the nature of rng/fate to decide.

It really is grass is greener and people want too much. People should just enjoy the process of playing the game, and stop wanting perfection.

That is pretty funny. Many of my items are bought, there is no difference between trading in D3 and POE. Those items are bought and sold, just for more astronomical prices. Except these item are more likely mirrored than sold...

Circular argument receives a circular score.

End game gear is end game gear precisely because it's impossible to get. If it weren't, it wouldn't be "end game"... it would just be "gear".

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deathflower wrote:

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ZeroHate wrote:

I have been playing since closed beta and never had an item with 6 mods lined up perfectly, and I do not ever really expect it, unless a mirror happens to drop. And why would you care? And they obviously do drop for some people, this is the beauty of the game imo, you might never get it after years of playing, but you could get it tomorrow. It is also why I play to make a build on what interesting item may drop, not grind for profit to just buy something perfect; let the nature of rng/fate to decide.

It really is grass is greener and people want too much. People should just enjoy the process of playing the game, and stop wanting perfection.

That is pretty funny. Many of my items are bought, there is no difference between trading in D3 and POE. Those items are bought and sold, just for more astronomical prices. Except these item are more likely mirrored than sold...

I would have thought the difference is trading in POE is much more time consuming and clunky, since you can not sit filtering through an AH system and simply flipping over items with ease. It is much less desirable to bother flipping items in POE.

But by the sound of it you have a lot of experience doing it in both games.

A majority of my items are also still traded for, but it was not my point, and they are rarely necessary to tackle end game content; only necessary to tackle 80+ maps with dodgy mods.