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derbefrier wrote:
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Thaelyn wrote:
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sintflut2012 wrote:
Wow, the amount of whine/game-to-hard threads in the forums are reaching levels that make the whole gaming community look retarded and brain-dead.
I disagree. I think that it is actually:
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Players like the OP make grieving even possible (and fun i have to admit :D).
that reflects poorly on the gaming community as a whole. Anytime you have someone whose idea of having fun is trying to make damn sure someone else doesn't, he brings down the entirety of the gaming community.
It doesnt reflect negatively on anyone its part of the game. Its not their fault you take this game so seriously you cant laugh it off and just keep playing. no one is ruining your fun. your doing that all by yourself with that attitude.
What attitude would that be? The attitude that douchebaggery is a bad thing for a community? You'll be hard pressed to convince me that I'm wrong in that belief. You're welcome to try, though, should you see fit.
And take whatever solace you may in the knowledge that my fun isn't being impacted by griefers at all. I play solo exclusively because I find it far more enjoyable. As such, I'm not subject to said douchebaggery, myself. The fact that such a pathetic practice doesn't directly impact me, though, doesn't mean that it's any less pathetic or something I should condone.
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Posted byThaelyn#0781on Feb 13, 2013, 9:36:55 PM
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derbefrier wrote:
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Thaelyn wrote:
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sintflut2012 wrote:
Wow, the amount of whine/game-to-hard threads in the forums are reaching levels that make the whole gaming community look retarded and brain-dead.
I disagree. I think that it is actually:
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Players like the OP make grieving even possible (and fun i have to admit :D).
that reflects poorly on the gaming community as a whole. Anytime you have someone whose idea of having fun is trying to make damn sure someone else doesn't, he brings down the entirety of the gaming community.
It doesnt reflect negatively on anyone its part of the game. Its not their fault you take this game so seriously you cant laugh it off and just keep playing. no one is ruining your fun. your doing that all by yourself with that attitude.
Forcing/tricking others into PvP is part of the game?!
Forcing/tricking others to ruin their fun because you cant have fun otherwise is not related to the community?
You basically say "deal with it, it's fine because I gain through it".
That's now the first thing of this kind that I heard of in PoE this far, I have to admit that the devs are nuts in some ways, and they have the ultimate potential to ruin their own game with it, so what...
Again, this, PoE, is carebear-heaven, if you need real grief, play EVE, carebears! :p
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Posted byTaipion#0839on Feb 13, 2013, 9:38:10 PM
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Carebear reporting in!
I loved EvE - was the best space dock simulator I have ever played.
About this issue with the bandits. It does give you a warning when in a team about what happens when you choose. If, it were me, and I was playing PoE in a PuG I'd quit the team right there. But you have the choice, and I am sure some people are to trusting or naive to think that some totally anonymous person would find pleasure in causing them pain. However, I do not think it is GGG's requirement to rectify poor choices.
Just my opinion.
TL/DR
1. read the text
2. deal with the consequences
3. if you skipped (1) see (2)
"the premier Action RPG for hardcore gamers."
-GGG
Happy hunting/fishing
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Posted byWittgenstein#0994on Feb 13, 2013, 10:11:53 PMAlpha Member
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Omnivore61 wrote:
First off a disclaimer, I am not knocking the developers in the following, merely pointing out what apparently is the case. It is their game, of course they can do whatever they want.
The developers seem to confuse 'cut throat feel' with griefing behavior. They are mixing PvP elements into an otherwise PvE situation/game. If you don't understand this, or if you don't agree with it, then playing solo is highly recommended.
Outside of the griefer enabling (or PvP enabling if you prefer) portion, the quest is probably the best in the game.
The problem is new players not understanding that this 'griefing' option is 100% fully intended by the developers. It is exactly what they want and nowhere have I seen any statements by any of them that would lead me to think otherwise.
If it wasn't on HC, then I wouldn't care.
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Wittgenstein wrote:
Carebear reporting in!
I loved EvE - was the best space dock simulator I have ever played.
About this issue with the bandits. It does give you a warning when in a team about what happens when you choose. If, it were me, and I was playing PoE in a PuG I'd quit the team right there. But you have the choice, and I am sure some people are to trusting or naive to think that some totally anonymous person would find pleasure in causing them pain. However, I do not think it is GGG's requirement to rectify poor choices.
Just my opinion.
TL/DR
1. read the text
2. deal with the consequences
3. if you skipped (1) see (2)
It doesn't tell you "These 5 people are waiting on you to choose so they can instantly lock in a coordinated manner to delete your HC character."
This is literally the only thing this quest option will ever be used for. At least disable this BS on the HC ladder so that I can enjoy group play instead of being forced to solo a part of the game.
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Posted byDynas#6892on Feb 13, 2013, 10:23:16 PM
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Wittgenstein wrote:
However, I do not think it is GGG's requirement to rectify poor choices.
Even if the poor choice turns out to be their own?
I ask in all seriousness because, in general, mixing PvP elements into an otherwise PvE game generally has a bad design smell. In two major instances, this quest and one other we're not allowed to talk about except in one thread, GGG has done exactly that. Amazingly both things are the source of many complaints and much argument. Why am I not surprised?
Food for thought.
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Posted byOmnivore61#1813on Feb 13, 2013, 10:23:37 PM
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Dynas wrote:
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Omnivore61 wrote:
First off a disclaimer, I am not knocking the developers in the following, merely pointing out what apparently is the case. It is their game, of course they can do whatever they want.
The developers seem to confuse 'cut throat feel' with griefing behavior. They are mixing PvP elements into an otherwise PvE situation/game. If you don't understand this, or if you don't agree with it, then playing solo is highly recommended.
Outside of the griefer enabling (or PvP enabling if you prefer) portion, the quest is probably the best in the game.
The problem is new players not understanding that this 'griefing' option is 100% fully intended by the developers. It is exactly what they want and nowhere have I seen any statements by any of them that would lead me to think otherwise.
If it wasn't on HC, then I wouldn't care.
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Wittgenstein wrote:
Carebear reporting in!
I loved EvE - was the best space dock simulator I have ever played.
About this issue with the bandits. It does give you a warning when in a team about what happens when you choose. If, it were me, and I was playing PoE in a PuG I'd quit the team right there. But you have the choice, and I am sure some people are to trusting or naive to think that some totally anonymous person would find pleasure in causing them pain. However, I do not think it is GGG's requirement to rectify poor choices.
Just my opinion.
TL/DR
1. read the text
2. deal with the consequences
3. if you skipped (1) see (2)
It doesn't tell you "These 5 people are waiting on you to choose so they can instantly lock in a coordinated manner to delete your HC character."
This is literally the only thing this quest option will ever be used for. At least disable this BS on the HC ladder so that I can enjoy group play instead of being forced to solo a part of the game.
Well as you said you can solo this part of the game. or form up with people you actually trust. And no the warning doesn't say that, but It says very clearly in the description of your choice that conflicting players will duel. Perhaps a blurb should be added "and death will remove you to default" but I thought it was implied with "duel".
"the premier Action RPG for hardcore gamers."
-GGG
Happy hunting/fishing
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Posted byWittgenstein#0994on Feb 13, 2013, 10:32:02 PMAlpha Member
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Wittgenstein wrote:
Well as you said you can solo this part of the game. or form up with people you actually trust. And no the warning doesn't say that, but It says very clearly in the description of your choice that conflicting players will duel. Perhaps a blurb should be added "and death will remove you to default" but I thought it was implied with "duel".
This should be part of the game design process. To communicate with the player and confirm that they are about to participate in PVP due to a vote 4/5 in favor of Helping Oak, etc, etc.
It is not the fault of the player to want to punch in their answer to kill Oak and expect everyone else to considering that is what happens 99% of the time.
I am puzzled how this is not a failure of game design and should be rectified?
IGN: Mibuwolf
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Posted bymibuwolf#7946on Feb 13, 2013, 10:36:18 PM
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mibuwolf wrote:
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Wittgenstein wrote:
Well as you said you can solo this part of the game. or form up with people you actually trust. And no the warning doesn't say that, but It says very clearly in the description of your choice that conflicting players will duel. Perhaps a blurb should be added "and death will remove you to default" but I thought it was implied with "duel".
This should be part of the game design process. To communicate with the player and confirm that they are about to participate in PVP due to a vote 4/5 in favor of Helping Oak, etc, etc.
It is not the fault of the player to want to punch in their answer to kill Oak and expect everyone else to considering that is what happens 99% of the time.
I am puzzled how this is not a failure of game design and should be rectified?
Okay they can make the warning say "attention: everyone can choose differently than you and attack should you decide against them."
Maybe they can make it less technical and add it into the lore somehow or as part of the bandit chat as well.
"the premier Action RPG for hardcore gamers."
-GGG
Happy hunting/fishing
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Posted byWittgenstein#0994on Feb 13, 2013, 10:56:58 PMAlpha Member
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Wittgenstein wrote:
Okay they can make the warning say "attention: everyone can choose differently than you and attack should you decide against them."
Maybe they can make it less technical and add it into the lore somehow or as part of the bandit chat as well.
Or they could simply add a dialogue after the choice is made that says "Your party is split over the decision, fighting may break out at any moment among the party members. [Leave] or [Fight].
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This solution still allows consensual PvP but makes it harder to gang bang the noob.
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Posted byOmnivore61#1813on Feb 13, 2013, 11:03:12 PM
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Wittgenstein wrote:
Okay they can make the warning say "attention: everyone can choose differently than you and attack should you decide against them."
Maybe they can make it less technical and add it into the lore somehow or as part of the bandit chat as well.
A bit extreme... just add a button declaring that one or more persons have voted against and possibly give the option to back out to prevent a HC death. If the death didn't remove the player from HC league, then the problem isn't really that big of an issue.
Really though changing this as early as possible would be wise. One could assume that more issues similar to OP's if not handled.
That's all really...
IGN: Mibuwolf
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Posted bymibuwolf#7946on Feb 13, 2013, 11:16:45 PM
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