Griefing

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Wittgenstein wrote:

It is consensual pvp though. If there were a zone that upon entering, you were told "players can attack other players in this area" and you were in a team, and you entered that area, you have consented to the possibility of attack. In this quest, you are told that to choose differently from the group will result in pvp.

I fully acknowledge that this hits new players hard, especially those who don't pay attention. But, sometimes you learn things the hard way.

Whatever GGG wants to do in regards to the quest is fine with me. I just think the argument that "You didn't know" doesn't really work.

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Taipion wrote:

People here really must be un-creative and weak to need this kind of stuff.

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Taipion wrote:

You boldly assume, no you claim, that everyone knows of that, or expects team-PvE to suddenly switch to PvP.

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Taipion wrote:

You support something really stupid, what does that make you?

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Birdulon wrote:

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Taipion wrote:

You boldly assume, no you claim, that everyone knows of that, or expects team-PvE to suddenly switch to PvP.

I assume someone with enough cognitive ability to reach Act 2 on hardcore will also be literate enough to read what the two big buttons entail, and possibly cautious enough to ponder for a second on what "Help Oak" means, and if it might conflict with fellow players electing to "Kill Oak", and how such a conflict might be resolved. You know, that they might notice the special interface elements and consider taking a brief moment to read the special text box rather than going full ADHD and clicking KILL like an impatient murderhead who has yet to learn that rushing some things can lead to a swift death.

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Taipion wrote:

You support something really stupid, what does that make you?

A person who prefers to blame themselves when they make a hilariously stupid mistake, learn from it and try not to repeat it, rather than just blaming every external factor I can think of for facilitating my foolishness.

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narutoganjahbrony wrote:

They should just allow you to attack party members all the time.

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mibuwolf wrote:

Either way I would look at it as poor game design to not communicate (in other ways than story text) that your character would initiate a PVP battle.

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Taipion wrote:

3.) Most players dont read all the quest texts as they are not important.

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mibuwolf wrote:

Let's not have everyone afraid to click "Kill Oak" in an effort to be the last one to pick "Kill Oak" just to be careful of any shenanigans.

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Taipion wrote:

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Wittgenstein wrote:

It is consensual pvp though. If there were a zone that upon entering, you were told "players can attack other players in this area" and you were in a team, and you entered that area, you have consented to the possibility of attack. In this quest, you are told that to choose differently from the group will result in pvp.

I fully acknowledge that this hits new players hard, especially those who don't pay attention. But, sometimes you learn things the hard way.

Whatever GGG wants to do in regards to the quest is fine with me. I just think the argument that "You didn't know" doesn't really work.

So just say you play HC.

And you completed the game up till act 2.

Maybe even on Cruel or Merciless.

There is NO hint, of any kind, that there is surprise PvP built into "group play" from anything that you experienced up to this point, there is no way to expect it or an alert to look for something like that.

I managed to play several months in CB, and then start again now, without having experienced this myself, if it was not for this thread, I would not even know of this!

There is no way all people read the quest texts in full, though I did as I enjoyed the new voices when they were put in.

And even then I did not notice this possibility, as is does simply not make sense in any way!

This is a tool, built for abuse from the start, to support wannabe gankers and griefers that cant get the job done otherwise. I really wonder what kind of wannabe community I ran into here, as I see how many people actually support their little ganking tool. People here really must be un-creative and weak to need this kind of stuff.



TL:DR

You dare say "read the quest text or die"?!
Seriously?! Even in HC?!

Your argument that this is consensual in any way is absolutely invalid.

And you are either a blind fanboy, a griefer or of substandard intellect to support this!

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Wittgenstein wrote:

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Taipion wrote:

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Wittgenstein wrote:

It is consensual pvp though. If there were a zone that upon entering, you were told "players can attack other players in this area" and you were in a team, and you entered that area, you have consented to the possibility of attack. In this quest, you are told that to choose differently from the group will result in pvp.

I fully acknowledge that this hits new players hard, especially those who don't pay attention. But, sometimes you learn things the hard way.

Whatever GGG wants to do in regards to the quest is fine with me. I just think the argument that "You didn't know" doesn't really work.

So just say you play HC.

And you completed the game up till act 2.

Maybe even on Cruel or Merciless.

There is NO hint, of any kind, that there is surprise PvP built into "group play" from anything that you experienced up to this point, there is no way to expect it or an alert to look for something like that.

I managed to play several months in CB, and then start again now, without having experienced this myself, if it was not for this thread, I would not even know of this!

There is no way all people read the quest texts in full, though I did as I enjoyed the new voices when they were put in.

And even then I did not notice this possibility, as is does simply not make sense in any way!

This is a tool, built for abuse from the start, to support wannabe gankers and griefers that cant get the job done otherwise. I really wonder what kind of wannabe community I ran into here, as I see how many people actually support their little ganking tool. People here really must be un-creative and weak to need this kind of stuff.



TL:DR

You dare say "read the quest text or die"?!
Seriously?! Even in HC?!

Your argument that this is consensual in any way is absolutely invalid.

And you are either a blind fanboy, a griefer or of substandard intellect to support this!

1. don't insult other players or moderators, nobody is insulting you and it just makes you look childish.
2. you are alerted of the pvp combat prior to the start of the combat. So there isn't a need for a "hint" - it explicitly tells you.
3. if you cannot conduct yourself in a civil manner, don't post on the forums.

It isn't a tool build to grief players, its an interesting game mechanic that forces players to actually pay attention to what is happening around them.

I replied earlier in this thread with some suggestions of how to make the notification of pvp combat even clearer.

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ps. asserting that someone is something, doesn't make them that thing. Seems to be a common misconception on the internet that you can just call someone a "fanboy" or a "carebear" or whatever ad hominem attack you want to hurl - and that suddenly the comments of your interlocutor are no longer valid - this isn't true. Calling someone names is something children do.