4 offcolor sockets on gloves? IMPOSSIBLE

You knew before you used your first chromatic that odds to get what you wanted were very low right ?
You're exactly like some kid who buys a lottery ticket, and then rages when he doesn't win. Pretty sad.
Next time, if you need gloves with RRRR, use gloves with AR/ES. You're not gonna lose THAT much ES, really.

So it's insanely hard to roll 4 offcolor in a 4 socket item. Does anyone know how hard it would be if I need 4 offcolor in a 5 or 6 socket item? Is that more reasonably doable?

I wanna make a 5L burning arrow with 4 red supports, but I'm not sure if I should cut one of the red supports to prevent chroming hell...

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clan_iraq wrote:

How is any of that not applicable to jewelers / fusings?
Vorici guaranteed 6S6L was added for a reason. It still forces choices when you dont have oodles of currency, its bloody expensive. It still burns up huge amounts of currency sinked into those items. I fact it burns up more currency on average than normal socketing or linking, thats the point.

If chromes were able to guarantee any color combo for ~2000 spent, thats a huge expense, it adds on top of the costs of 6L and 6S and would never be worth it for anythibg other than off-color combos

Because the calculation for 6L is simple (it is exactly the same for all items that have 6 sockets), while it is not at all simple for socket colours (which is heavily dependent on the required stats).

For example, the item in question when entered into the Vorici Chromatic Calculator:
http://siveran.github.io/calc.html

To get it 4R would require on average 5230 chromes done the 'normal' way. However to get it 4B would require only 3.
So, how can they put a fixed price on it?

Not to mention the fact that the cost in the bench would probably have to be around 10.000 if it reflected the same disadvantage as 6L'ing has (which at a 400/1 exchange rate would be 40 EX). Crafting benches currently only search your inventory, plus your currently selected stash tab, so you wouldn't be able to provide 10k anyway as one page would only hold 2880 (there is probably an inherent limitation in their software).

Well. 13 ex on those shitty gloves. Wow. You could just self-craft a hybrid with better rolls than that for less than 13, what the fuck man.

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Cyzax wrote:

Because the calculation for 6L is simple (it is exactly the same for all items that have 6 sockets), while it is not at all simple for socket colours (which is heavily dependent on the required stats).

For example, the item in question when entered into the Vorici Chromatic Calculator:
http://siveran.github.io/calc.html

To get it 4R would require on average 5230 chromes done the 'normal' way. However to get it 4B would require only 3.
So, how can they put a fixed price on it?

Not to mention the fact that the cost in the bench would probably have to be around 10.000 if it reflected the same disadvantage as 6L'ing has (which at a 400/1 exchange rate would be 40 EX). Crafting benches currently only search your inventory, plus your currently selected stash tab, so you wouldn't be able to provide 10k anyway as one page would only hold 2880 (there is probably an inherent limitation in their software).

They could easily cap it with an upper limit like 1500-2000 chromes
The game is not improved by having certain color combinations take a 1/10000 chance to roll

I dont see why capping the extreme cases and giving players a more reasonable but still high price to achieve the colors they want is a bad thing. Like jewelers/fusings, this would only be available to players with large amounts of currency. Are you saying that its a *good* thing when a vaal axe would take 6.4 million chromatics to make 6B? That this improves the game? That this is desirable,

If you have troubles envisioning clever ways to structure the UI to allow chromatics to be more directly crafted I can suggest several possibilities. Fixing a problem is easy. Acknowledging you have a problem seems to be the first step

Huh. Didn't realize it was that rare. I accidentally got RRRR and GGRR on my ES boots before I was able to get them to BBBB lol.

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clan_iraq wrote:

Acknowledging you have a problem seems to be the first step

Why is it a problem that there are some limits to things you can do?

As others have suggested, there was a simple solution to the OP's problem, go for a pair of STR/INT gloves instead... For 13 EX he could have gotten an awesome set, and he could then have 4R'd them in 20-25 chroms!

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Cyzax wrote:

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clan_iraq wrote:

Acknowledging you have a problem seems to be the first step

Why is it a problem that there are some limits to things you can do?

As others have suggested, there was a simple solution to the OP's problem, go for a pair of STR/INT gloves instead... For 13 EX he could have gotten an awesome set, and he could then have 4R'd them in 20-25 chroms!

Its not a limit. Its an arbitrary amount of currency, highly unreliable, that must be invested into an item before you can use it. If I find a great armor, I must invest the amount of jewelers for sockets, then fusings for links, than chromes for colors, *then* I can use it. Jewelers and fusings have eliminated the unreliable aspect with vorici, making it far less onerous to get the amount of links you want. You dont need to continuously buy currency and pray, you dont have a risk of running an absurd 20 exalts due to bad luck.

Chromes do not follow. They arbitrarily restrict what items you can use, take a fair amount of currency to get offcolor items, some combinations being rare enough to take millions of chromes, restricting players from using the items they want. For lesser items they just represent an average amount of currency the item will cost to craft, but for some items the unreliability means you might spend 3-5x the already unreasonably high average cost and still have nothing, all due to uncontrollable rng.

It doesnt take someone with decades of experience in game design to recognize a problem this glaring.
This is why people who play other games look down on PoE.

Why would you 6B Vaal Axe? What is good about spell caster running with axe instead of staff (or wand)? Where is logic in that? If item tells you that it will probably roll certain colors then you can take advantage of it. Why do you insist on doing things the hard way, when there is easy way to do it?

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clan_iraq wrote:

They arbitrarily restrict what items you can use, take a fair amount of currency to get offcolor items, some combinations being rare enough to take millions of chromes, restricting players from using the items they want.

If you use that argument, then you also disagree with the restriction of players not finding the items they want to use... so should players just be given the items they want to use at any time?

Neither can you compare with fusings, or jewelers... Just because one mechanic regarding sockets works one way in crafting benches doesn't mandate that another mechanic regarding sockets must be the same. In fact, to make the game varied it almost certainly shouldn't be!

Applying your argument to other crafting benches, it means that there should be no limits on what mods players could add as 'they want to use them'.

The arguments that 'players want something' is a poor one (if it even counts as an argument')...