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DirkAustin wrote:
Why are you so eager to bash a game that you dont seem to like nor want to play?
Answering with a question to a question tells everything about your nature on this forum. Also, I was one of the gullible ones that got fooled by Blizzard. D3 is trash even compared to D2, where it's supposed to be compared to naturally as a successor. PoE is just leagues ahead of both.
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Posted bymushioov#0149on Mar 9, 2015, 9:48:01 AM
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Also every 4 months completely altering the skill tree is just...
...Can GGG learn from Diablo3? Absolutely. They would be incredibly ARROGANT to not pull some lessons there.
They are giving you basically a fresh game every 4 months and you whine about that?
They would be incredibly STUPID if they followed even one of the horrible mistakes that D3 made. The whole game really, I honestly can't think of _anything_ that D3 does better than PoE gameplaywise.
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Posted bymushioov#0149on Mar 9, 2015, 9:54:44 AM
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Back to topic, I may be a bit too radical on that matter but I think the "D3 devs' lessons learned" is not relevant at all to PoE. My main point would be this : D3 devs may have spotted some major issues over time but they almost always take the easy way out. Therefore, I prefer PoE to not take anything at all from how D3's team handle their own thing.
The biggest example for me is their obvious tendency to apply "covering" bandages and patches instead of the better but harder way of rethinking and fixing the whole thing.
Take the itemization, for example, which has a lot of problems identified by players over time. Every weapon, even with the best rolls possible, is shit without a socket ? Just put the mystic in and the Ramaldani Gift (=guaranteed crafted socket without loosing a stat on the weapon for it) into the game. The core issue is still here, but everybody think it's "fixed" because it's now covered. You need your main stat on every item ? Put smart loot in for almost guaranteed main stat for your class (once again, problem still here, just covered). Your newly found set gloves are crap because they miss crit chance or crit damage (because every build of every class want these) ? Just use the Mystic, you'll get it. The problem is still here, you still want that roll no matter what you'll play, but it is now covered.
An other good example of that typical course of action was the way they handled the dodge/Dexterity issue. They never knew how to really balance it. What did they do in the end ? They simply removed it from the game, making dexterity to grant armor instead. Easy way out, as always.
I agree absolutely, for whatever reason they built on bad foundations and rather than go back to square 1 theyre just trying to accommodate systems that are rotten to the core by sidestepping the issues that stem from them.
I dont think poe has those same problems, I think the itemisation in poe is amazing and the real problem comes in when people start looking at their gear, looking at bis gear and feeling like that is what they need. Theres a lot of ways to go wrong in poe and far too often people presume its because they dont have that mirror level gear that its not working out when really you can do a lot with a very rag tag setup if the build, gem setup and play tactics are solid. Its supposed to be a hard game, youre not supposed to be able to afk facetank the entire world, the fact you can do that to some extent with bis gear doesnt mean the game is broken and you are forced to trade if thats not what youve found.
I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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Posted bySnorkle_uk#0761on Mar 9, 2015, 9:56:56 AM
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mushioov wrote:
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FadeXF wrote:
Also every 4 months completely altering the skill tree is just...
...Can GGG learn from Diablo3? Absolutely. They would be incredibly ARROGANT to not pull some lessons there.
They are giving you basically a fresh game every 4 months and you whine about that?
They would be incredibly STUPID if they followed even one of the horrible mistakes that D3 made. The whole game really, I honestly can't think of _anything_ that D3 does better than PoE gameplaywise.
It had a proper AH for trading instead of spamming trade chat or using 3rd party sites.
They got self found all over now.
2 things they already did better.
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Posted byDeletedon Mar 9, 2015, 10:05:29 AM
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FadeXF wrote:
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FadeXF wrote:
Also every 4 months completely altering the skill tree is just...
...Can GGG learn from Diablo3? Absolutely. They would be incredibly ARROGANT to not pull some lessons there.
They are giving you basically a fresh game every 4 months and you whine about that?
They would be incredibly STUPID if they followed even one of the horrible mistakes that D3 made. The whole game really, I honestly can't think of _anything_ that D3 does better than PoE gameplaywise.
HUGELY arrogant to say - last 3 weeks I've been playing D3 pretty much non stop. Why? Well, I waited about a week after D3 Season2 - watched some Kripp play - and thought: why would he go play such a shit game. Then on my next 5pm MST waiting for my Master's to reset it hit me: I'm having zero fucking fun right now in POE... I can't play the leagues I actually WANT to play on account of these shitty Masters leveling all over again... I hated the last skill tree reset and actually still have about 7 characters just sitting there in mostly stripped gear and gems now, with a full skill tree reset... characters I used to actively play and then am just fucking tired of doing the research and spending THOUSANDS of fucking chromes to re-color sockets, brain test everything every 4-6 months... 3 years of this skill tree resetting. No end in sight.
YES: I would ask their content change up, but NOT their skill tree and skills. So annoying to finally "complete" your character to a point you are enjoying the play style - then BOOM FUCK YOU FADE HEAD SHOT - bye bye character...
GGG has literally zero fucks given about their player's time... be that in drops... or even in the way they manage nerfing gems, gear... or the way they redevelop the entire skill tree. ZERO respect period to the player of their game. Does D3 go overboard? Well - arguably... you can certainly find an entire "end game" set equal to, say, a Shavs within about 3 weeks of play - HOWEVER it dawned on me what will make D3 still replayable... while I DID get a Leoric's Crown last week with 100% perfect skill roll holistically it's NOT a perfect rolled - all stats perfect rolled - Leoric's Crown! So while I OWN the item, and 1 roll of the 6 is perfect rolled, it's NOT a perfect item which means I still have loot tension and enjoyment playing the game. I still need to find me probably 100s more crowns before I come close to getting a perfect roll - that is going to take me over a year or more.
End game: Maps are a RNG gated bullshit nightmare. D3 has literally no real gate. Whatever end game activity you want to pursue, you can do it very very easily. D3 for sure has a more interactive, interesting, "jump right in there" end game compared to POE.
Leveling: After about 40 characters through POE past Merci I can say that D3 got it right over POE - you have the OPTION of running through the game again OR you can pick "Adventure" mode and basically level the way YOU want to level - not the way the developer wants you to.
Economy: POE = trading... period. D3 wants you to FIND your loot. It tries it's ultra best to make sure you GET drops whereas POE tries it's ultra best to make sure you get JACK SHIT. But if you do find something, chances are it's going to be useless to you - so you will need to engage in trading. Trading sucks. There's nothing less rewarding in any game. Wow: got a Shavs - did you find it? Nope. But I worked the trade sim and got enough exalts to buy one from someone... months and months trading - I would rather spend months and months farming, not trading, and having an actual honest - in this lifetime chance of getting some of the items I want. And Standard economy? Wow is it just shit shit shit shit.
I honestly can go on. I won't. There are PLENTY of things that D3 does much much better than POE - and honestly speaking? Vice Versa. Both games have something to offer. To try to dismiss point blank - in some sort of weirdshit black and white argument? lolz - please.
If you prefer to play D3 do so, who is stopping you?
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Posted byDeletedon Mar 9, 2015, 10:35:08 AM
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If you prefer to play D3 do so, who is stopping you?
The point is that both games offer different play styles - neither is perfect - neither is that much better than the other. However it's not a black and white: "POE sucks balls and is useless" or "D3 sucks balls and is useless" - Both games have a lot to offer the ARPG genre.
Thats exactly my point. Why bash one game instead of playing the other?
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Posted byDeletedon Mar 9, 2015, 10:43:25 AM
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I started playing diablo 3 again at the start of season 2 and really enjoy it.
Played two weeks and got a "well running char" without trading - every item is really mine.
A feeling PoE did not gave me in a long time. Play some kind of "bullshit char" that kills slow or "buy everything". I left Diablo because of the AH and i came back the moment trading was gone. Pitty the most intersting point about poe for me were : Craft the gear you need and play in any league you want. Both failed: Crafting failed because of crafting mats that are like 100 times too rare and custom leagues never were introduced.
I dont really regret the some hundred bucks i spent on POE (time per $ ratio is still okay) but overall Diablo 3 was a far better investment at the moment.
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Posted byreturn33#2156on Mar 9, 2015, 10:49:18 AM
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Played two weeks and got a "well running char" without trading - every item is really mine.
Um, i've bought a Vis Mortis a week ago for an exalt that luckily dropped for me. I'm wearing it on my witch at the moment. Who's Vis Mortis is it "really" then?
If you go to the store and buy yourself a pair of shoes, then come home and put them on your feet, are those shoes still from the company who sold them or from the guy who sowed the leather together?
I don't really get such logic tbh.
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Posted byTom7i#1833on Mar 9, 2015, 12:03:19 PM
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The lesson should be don't work for a corporation if you want to make something excellent.
Corporations almost always settle for good enough and will play it safe.
Diablo was one of the strongest brands in gaming.
They could have made a complex, difficult, dark and gritty game and still hit that 6million unit goal.
Dark Souls has already proven that such a game can succeed in the modern gaming enviornemnt
But still we got such a dumbed down and soft game, a really sad thing that had to be completely carried by its brand.
Never sell GGG! At least until you lose all passion to create.
When I kill a man he stays dead.
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Posted bymucker#5845on Mar 9, 2015, 12:17:15 PM
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The only lesson I needed to learn, I learned early on: Diablo 3 is not a true sequel to Diablo 2, but rather a different and inferior game entirely.
Then I found out about PoE and all was well with the world :)
The 352nd character to hit Level 100 in Standard
The 82nd character to hit Delve 1000 in Standard
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Posted bytackle70#1293on Mar 9, 2015, 12:22:52 PMOn Probation
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