Skills that have to be buffed in order to acheive a balanced game

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@goetzjam your answer is irrelevant.

Having AA available to you on a high mana regen build contributes nothing to the statement that mana leach is rendered useless by the limitations of the engine.

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goetzjam wrote:

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@goetzjam your answer is irrelevant.

Having AA available to you on a high mana regen build contributes nothing to the statement that mana leach is rendered useless by the limitations of the engine.

My answer isn't "irrelevant" I made 2 points, but you simply choose to point out the one that has "failed logic" by your part. Mana leech isn't a limitation of the engine, but rather a side effect of the life leech nerf so long ago (can't leech more then % of your pool, can't overleech)

What about stun immunity, does that mean nothing?

Out of all the melee skills, cyclone is among the best and most balanced. Would some range increase be nice, sure, but its fine.

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Boem wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

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@goetzjam your answer is irrelevant.

Having AA available to you on a high mana regen build contributes nothing to the statement that mana leach is rendered useless by the limitations of the engine.

My answer isn't "irrelevant" I made 2 points, but you simply choose to point out the one that has "failed logic" by your part. Mana leech isn't a limitation of the engine, but rather a side effect of the life leech nerf so long ago (can't leech more then % of your pool, can't overleech)

What about stun immunity, does that mean nothing?

Out of all the melee skills, cyclone is among the best and most balanced. Would some range increase be nice, sure, but its fine.

Nope, it's still irrelevant since i was responding to the "blood magic is mandatory" in the previous post's.

Which only holds true because of engine limitations that prevent the alternate melee route (mana leach based).

Cyclone can be perfectly maintained on mana leach, as long as your actually leaching. Given how cyclone works and the engine, it's not unlikely that it will fail at some stage. And since this can mean dead or -10%xp, it's not worth the risk.

You stating this has to do with the leach cap just shows me you have no experience with this, since i have.

I don't even care what happens with cyclone, just pointing out the obvious reason why blood magic "feels" mandatory in its current implementation. And it has everything to do with efficiency and minimizing risk in tandem with the engine and it's limitations.

Whatever, have at it, just came in to point out that in a perfect world, cyclone would be run on mana leach and not blood magic. But people roll with the dice they got.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

People are able to sustain a 5-link cyclone on 2% mana leach, cap or no cap.

People refuse to do so because it fails at times because of the engine.

Is that up for debate? You really think people are not running it on mana leach because the opportunity cost is to high?

And if so, passive tree/gear wise or engine wise?

Peace,

-Boem-

(honestly i don't feel like providing proof or even debating with you, some stuff is just obvious and doesn't require the efforts, feel free to disregard my post's if you think they hold no relevance)

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Boem wrote:

You require proof that people desync which disables mechanics like leach to take place?

ok *nods*

Peace,

-Boem-

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CanHasPants wrote:

That and /oos won't help one bit if running oom was or was part of the cue that alerted you that something was amiss; you're already oom, and running oom often means you're standing dead still.