General Discussion - GGG. About your spyware. - Forum

HarukaTeno : yes, technically, the moment I discovered PoE is scanning my computer without me explicitly knowing it I should have stop using it. And that brings us back to reality. I want to play the game. I love it since the beginning of it. So I just want the ToS changed to clearly reflect this. Win - win. I am confident that it will happen.	Posted by aldorus#6039 on Jan 14, 2015, 9:29:36 AM Quote this Post
" aldorus wrote: HarukaTeno : yes, technically, the moment I discovered PoE is scanning my computer without me explicitly knowing it I should have stop using it. And that brings us back to reality. I want to play the game. I love it since the beginning of it. So I just want the ToS changed to clearly reflect this. Win - win. I am confident that it will happen. Reality. Hard reality. ToS has nothing to change "to reflect this", there is already a statement: "you either don't use our services at all OR you take all the responsibility for your actions". You can freely choose second and safely play the game (till you won't violate any other rule). That's the law for you. And win-win. I see nothing bad in this. Enjoy your gaming \^_^ Remember, suffering is convenient. That is why many people prefer it. Happiness requires effort.	Posted by HarukaTeno#6546 on Jan 14, 2015, 10:14:01 AM Quote this Post
Haruka is right btw, the ToS already contains what you are asking. So logically a new one/update is not required. Also, trust works in both ways. I don't know how you can think this is "just now" happening all of a sudden. Just because it's the hot-topic at the moment doesn't mean anything. You either enjoy the game and its development/developers and are willing to instal the game and agree to the ToS. Or you don't and you go install some other game from a company you do trust. Because let's be honest here, it's not like GGG invented this and is the premier company to utilize this, pretty sure any other game connected to an online infra-structure utilizes tools like these to keep the playing field semi-legit. Peace, -Boem- Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes	Posted by Boem#2861 on Jan 14, 2015, 11:09:45 AM On Probation Quote this Post
Since they now have a super ion cannon spysoftware on my pc can we have blind client trust already ?? LESS DSYNC YAY we will see soon, on reddit What can never be lent or earned? Somewhat, that devours everyone and everything: A tree that rush. A bird that sings. It eat bones and smite the hardest stones. Masticate every sword. Shatters every shrine. It defeat mighty kings and carry mountains on lightly wings. What am i?	Posted by Spysong192#7559 on Jan 14, 2015, 11:16:38 AM Quote this Post
Whether this spyware business is true or not... GGG won't be able to hide behind their TOS if they are actively scanning people's computers in violation of a nation's laws. (Subject to local laws. It may be perfectly kosher where you live.) That's not how TOS work in many jurisdictions. Within the service, this argument has weight. That would be the game, website, and the information collected therein. (But, again, subject to local laws.) Thinking a TOS allows GGG to do arbitrary actions on a PC (like scanning my massive porn collection, or someone's sensitive work documents) is naive and dangerous. Any consequences against GGG would likely require banned/affected people to hire lawyers and make a lot of noise (since this is a small service relative to big players like Google or Facebook). Otherwise it's small potatoes in law enforcement's eyes, or so I'd imagine. On the flip side, those big internet players have large legal budgets and can afford to defend themselves in N countries, should the need arise. Last edited by Semptimilius#4676 on Jan 14, 2015, 11:26:50 AM	Posted by Semptimilius#4676 on Jan 14, 2015, 11:24:09 AM Quote this Post
" mazul wrote: Name of the spyware process? I need to keep track of all the processes run on my computer. So you just decided to keep track, or already do? If you already do, you shouldn't have an issue figuring it out? path of exile expert	Posted by IllusorySuperiority#1748 on Jan 14, 2015, 11:24:37 AM Quote this Post
" I_NO wrote: AHK has always been acceptable if you obey their rule which I forgot the link but I'm sure someone will post it. i just message CS yesterday about this they said AHK is allowed as long as its only performing one action at a time and its not on any type of timer or auto script! in other words you have to manually hit the macro and not a script performing it for you! and all these people with a problem with GGG doing something about the cheating asking for a new TOS and all that... every single one of you is basically saying ive been cheating and now i dont think its fair i can no longer cheat anymore QQ! and its pathetic! There is a fine line between Consideration and Hesitation. The former is Wisdom, the latter is Fear. Last edited by Demonoz#1375 on Jan 14, 2015, 11:28:53 AM	Posted by Demonoz#1375 on Jan 14, 2015, 11:25:56 AM Quote this Post
Before you claim that by clicking accept on the TOS it's binding you might want to look at applicable court cases that say other wise. Regardless of that I think it's a good idea to put in and update the spyware. Some people enjoy beating the system and it will provide others with good reading when they post about it. So far I have enjoyed all the freaking out posts on other sites.	Posted by Maverick31#0901 on Jan 14, 2015, 11:28:20 AM Quote this Post
" HarukaTeno wrote: " CrazylikE wrote: You sir, dont know what your talking about lol. The patch downloaded a new Client.exe which has process monitoring capabilities and will most likely flag accounts that are running processes that modifies game memory and also has names like CheatEngine or w/e its called. This is all over the place now, people have been reverse-engineering the patch and discovered the code. I wish they would have added this in a larger patch to hide it better, but oh well. At least im sure we will see some banned accounts because of this, good riddance. Another breaking news -_- Patcher re-downloads Client.exe almost every time any big patch occurs. How would you know that "OMG spyware" appeared exactly in this "client.exe"? The reason of this "panic" is that now there are really big number of people using hacks in PoE. And they are simply frightened about possible ban. Well, they deserve it. GGG is using "light version" of monitoring. I can name you couple of companies, whose "monitoring-ware" stuff is relatively heavy and takes about 100 Mb or RAM. That's what i call "an elephant in the bush" " OneWhoShallNotBeNamed wrote: If there is really spyware in installer/client/whatever produced by GGG i encourage OP and other knowledgable ppl to sent proofs and word of mouth to mmo and arg websites. Go for Massively, mmorpg.com, rpgcodex maybe and other big news websites - they will be more than interested in something like that. Also websites focused on softare/hardware security will be interested for sure. My god, almost every game today has the same (if not more complicated) "spyware" in their clients (and you actually agreed for it to be used when you've registered your account). Only difference is that some people started to dig and found out that GGG has "process viewer" in .exe. Breaking news... By the way, any of you, who want to cry about "my privacy!" or "i will sue GGG!" are welcome to read license agreement you've signed\agreed with on account creation (specifically, starting from #22 and further) " aldorus wrote: " Extreme_Boyheat wrote: Next people will be claiming that GGG is installing rootkits onto your PCs and using your computer as a zombie while mining bitcoins. Well, it is a bit extreme hyperbole, but why not? The trust is gone. There is no single warning that I am aware of during the installation of the game or during its launch phase informing you, that the game is actively monitoring your system and sending the data to GGG. In my country, such situation is even against the law. " againwetryagain wrote: Nothing in the TOS gives them the right to spy on other processes running on my computer. They are in violation of the TOS with this last patch. As i said, read ToS again. Carefully. You should stop mindlessly clicking "agree" without reading the license agreement if you want to argue about some things after and not look stupid. And for the aldorus " you agree that you are entirely responsible for ensuring that your access and use of any of the Website, Materials and Services will not contravene any laws in your country. If you're not lying about "your country laws" - you should either uninstall PoE immediately or be fully responsible for all your deeds. P.S. for those people who really think that they are still "anonymous" in the internet\or even IRL - my condolences :D Yeah, i'm talking about that masterpiece " againwetryagain wrote: To my fellow US citizens... Yeah, only americans play this game...	Posted by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015, 11:38:34 AM
" Demonoz wrote: " I_NO wrote: AHK has always been acceptable if you obey their rule which I forgot the link but I'm sure someone will post it. i just message CS yesterday about this they said AHK is allowed as long as its only performing one action at a time and its not on any type of timer or auto script! in other words you have to manually hit the macro and not a script performing it for you! and all these people with a problem with GGG doing something about the cheating asking for a new TOS and all that... every single one of you is basically saying ive been cheating and now i dont think its fair i can no longer cheat anymore QQ! and its pathetic! You hit the nail on its head, bravo. Its also funny how people think that A, the cheating is something new and that B, the GGG scanning thing is new. I know that when i install a game that it scans for stuff i run along with it and i know damn well that cheating starts as soon as a game gets to the public.	Posted by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015, 11:41:38 AM