checked TOS for scamming

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jarlaxelb wrote:

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phrazz wrote:

No matter how damn stupid the victim is, it's never the victims fault. Never.

Scamming should result in a LONG ban.

But what is scamming? Selling stuff way over priced? No.
Charging a fee for a service, and then run? Yes.

And that is your opinion.

My opinion is that the victim put himself in a position to be scammed (attempting to buy a 'service' that is not actually part of the game or authorized or controlled by GGG). Therefore, he is as much at fault as the scammer.

I would think fitting analogy would be someone going to the police because a drug dealer ripped him off when he was trying to buy illegal drugs. All those services aren't actually a part of the game, it is buyer beware.

First of all: Services in PoE is allowed.

Second: Blaming the victims indirectly says: Scamming people is ok! The scammers doesn't do anything wrong, they just take advantage of stupid people.

Great morale.

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phrazz wrote:

Second: Blaming the victims indirectly says: Scamming people is ok! The scammers doesn't do anything wrong, they just take advantage of stupid people.

Great morale.

It's spelled moral, sir.

And that's what it is. It's perfectly fine and the people are stupid.
What's the problem with that? What you call morality I call naiveness.

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Godhead_IV wrote:

And that's what it is. It's perfectly fine...

Going in, thinking: "I'm going to scam this idiot for everything he's got"

You see nothing wrong there? At all? Really?

I feel bad for you.

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Godhead_IV wrote:

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phrazz wrote:

Second: Blaming the victims indirectly says: Scamming people is ok! The scammers doesn't do anything wrong, they just take advantage of stupid people.

Great morale.

It's spelled moral, sir.

And that's what it is. It's perfectly fine and the people are stupid.
What's the problem with that? What you call morality I call naiveness.

Yes and No.

The problem here is how fucked up the rules of PoE are. For some reason GGG allows to scam people however they do not allow to report scamming. I.e. if someone scams me that's fine. If i tell the community who scammed me, if i posts screenshots or a video of the event happening they will ban me for that.

That's the fucking problem right there.

Conclusion: The rules are stupid.

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phrazz wrote:

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Godhead_IV wrote:

And that's what it is. It's perfectly fine...

Going in, thinking: "I'm going to scam this idiot for everything he's got"

You see nothing wrong there? At all? Really?

I feel bad for you.

Please, define wrong. Wrong is completely subjective, there is not a set list of wrong things.

To me, it's wrong that people try to justify their own mistakes instead of fixing them.
To me, it's wrong that cunning and trickery are called evil, for both are expressions of intelligence.
To me, it's wrong that moral is treated as the law of everything.
To me, it's wrong that people try to impose their vision, treating it as an absolute truth.

That's most likely what you think is right, yet no one of us can say it's true nor false.

It just is.

I think the real problem here is that people don't understand that morality in real life isn't the same as morality in a game. They've lost touch that we're playing a game and think that the same moral arguments that apply to RL contracts would apply equally to contracts within a game. They don't. Get over it.

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DasName wrote:

Yes and No.

The problem here is how fucked up the rules of PoE are. For some reason GGG allows to scam people however they do not allow to report scamming. I.e. if someone scams me that's fine. If i tell the community who scammed me, if i posts screenshots or a video of the event happening they will ban me for that.

That's the fucking problem right there.

The problem here is people trying to hide bad (in the rest of the world illegal) actions behind stupid people and a ToS.

Taking a kids lunch money is ok; "hey, kids are stupid"
Taking the money of a person with Downs; "hey, they're stupid - it's ok"

The ACTION is the same, no matter how naive the other part is.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

I think the real problem here is that people don't understand that morality in real life isn't the same as morality in a game. They've lost touch that we're playing a game and think that the same moral arguments that apply to RL contracts would apply equally to contracts within a game. They don't. Get over it.

Wrong, you try to defend scammers here by claiming that morale changes. That's obvioulsy stupid. The thing that changes isn't the moral, it's punishment for doing something wrong or for something not accepted.