checked TOS for scamming

"

HarukaTeno wrote:

1) Yup, Dunning-Kruger effect in action (yes, i will repeat it every time "scam thread" appears).
You can't see what other people are trying to explain to you and why those "victims" are just gullible people.

2) You're generalising.
Yes, if we will take IRL rape for an example - it's not good to blame the victim.

But come on, if someone is still so naive\stupid\unwise\out of critical thinking\has no common sense\whatever to fall for those so-called "scams"\believe to random stanger in mmo, and give him expensive stuff - yes, "victim" totally deserved it.

"Scam victims" are fully confident that they are right. They can't even see why this happened and where they were wrong.
Why?
Dunning-Kruger effect. They are stupid enough to not realise that they are stupid.

There are tons of similar examples IRL (if you like to compare a game with life).
Tons of adults fell for pyramid scheme(s), believe in Dietary supplements\telemarketing (frauds), etc etc

"

Jaams wrote:

I don't see how this has anything to do with the Dunning-Kruger effect. Ask any criminal regardless of crime, if they believe they're to blame and whether they believe the victims deserved it. The majority, regardless of what crime were talking about, will believe that they had the right to do whatever it is that they got caught for. The majority of mass murderers don't believe mass murder is wrong (just a flashy example), rapists see themselves as the victims etc.

The reason why victims don't get what you're saying has more to do with the process of self-justification. Scammers have justified their behaviour to themselves just like every other criminal ever, whereas the victim hasn't tried to justify scamming and sees it as just another form of abuse, and abuse is commonly considered a bad thing that should be prevented.

"

HarukaTeno wrote:

Hmm. You can't see why? And what does it have in common?
Okay. Answer a simple question. Or more likely 3 questions.

1) Random "internet" person hosts a party in online game. Party is called (let's say) "i'll kill X boss for 500.000 zen"
You enter party, and he asks you to pay before. Question#1: why won't I\you\any other skeptical enough person believe him?

2) "Scammed victims" easily believed to such person. Question#2: WHY? Why the hell did they do it?
Question#3: why do you think "scammed victims" still believe that they were totally right and can't understand where were they wrong even after tons of people explained it?

Do you think they believe that world is full of rainbows and unicorns? Poor kids, parents didn't teach them anything about "cruel world". I can feel for that 0.001%.

Other people are just too dumb+naive to fall for such simple trick (which is really far from being called "scam").

"

Xavderion wrote:

Blizzard follows scams pretty harshly i was once banned for 3 days for scamming a couplf of scrubs in WoW i came straight from eve online though where scamming is basically encouraged imnot usually an asshole xd

"

RagnarokChu wrote:

"

nait2k4 wrote:

Servers are located in the good ol' US of ehhhhhh, so you can probably litigate through civil court. Fraud statutes are pretty open-ended, especially in some of the blue states.

Nobody is going to court unless they were scammed for multi mirror level gear in which it would be over 500 dollars.

Which would beg how you would be scammed to begin with but that's another story.

"

phrazz wrote:

No matter how damn stupid the victim is, it's never the victims fault. Never.

Scamming should result in a LONG ban.

But what is scamming? Selling stuff way over priced? No.
Charging a fee for a service, and then run? Yes.

"

jarlaxelb wrote:

"

phrazz wrote:

No matter how damn stupid the victim is, it's never the victims fault. Never.

Scamming should result in a LONG ban.

But what is scamming? Selling stuff way over priced? No.
Charging a fee for a service, and then run? Yes.

And that is your opinion.

My opinion is that the victim put himself in a position to be scammed (attempting to buy a 'service' that is not actually part of the game or authorized or controlled by GGG). Therefore, he is as much at fault as the scammer.

I would think fitting analogy would be someone going to the police because a drug dealer ripped him off when he was trying to buy illegal drugs. All those services aren't actually a part of the game, it is buyer beware.

"

The_Great_Alex wrote:

"

jarlaxelb wrote:

"

phrazz wrote:

No matter how damn stupid the victim is, it's never the victims fault. Never.

Scamming should result in a LONG ban.

But what is scamming? Selling stuff way over priced? No.
Charging a fee for a service, and then run? Yes.

And that is your opinion.

My opinion is that the victim put himself in a position to be scammed (attempting to buy a 'service' that is not actually part of the game or authorized or controlled by GGG). Therefore, he is as much at fault as the scammer.

I would think fitting analogy would be someone going to the police because a drug dealer ripped him off when he was trying to buy illegal drugs. All those services aren't actually a part of the game, it is buyer beware.

I agree with phrazz