checked TOS for scamming

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Obviously stupid? That's your argument? Wow. Guess you win.

You are the one claiming that the morality ingame and "IRL" is diffrent, you are the one who has to tell ME why it is.

Your argument was: it is because it is

that'S obviously stupid.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

I'm denying their existence.

"...By saying "it's OK to steal whatever you can from stupid or naive persons".

I'm glad I'm not relying on you in my life.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

You can't apply a definition of "oral contract" from the real world to this game.

Because that would mean one,s word has value and that would make a more enjoyable community instead of everyone having to distrust each other?

In fact there is a RMT (as much ilegal and punishable as it is / should be) running around. There is a economy, there is people working to get "currency", there are human bonds, saying you CANT whitout arguments is not an argument

POE (as any other MMORPG) does create communities, if we cant trust each other, why should i share dailies on 820 if i am not sure the others will run theirs?

This game still enables - bonuses teamworking for some things. Anything that works against that side of the game / community should be hunted

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phrazz wrote:

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jarlaxelb wrote:

My opinion is that the victim put himself in a position to be scammed (attempting to buy a 'service' that is not actually part of the game or authorized or controlled by GGG).

First of all: Services in PoE is allowed.

Second: Blaming the victims indirectly says: Scamming people is ok! The scammers doesn't do anything wrong, they just take advantage of stupid people.

Great morale.

First of all, re-read bolded part and then underlined part.
Still don't see the difference between "allowed" and "possible"?

Second, if you're asking about morale - yes, i (personally) believe that if the person was that stupid to fall for such simple "manipulation" - he deserved it.
And no, i don't say that i'm protected from any "scam" (or just much more sophisticated fraud).
But you know, it's life and shit happens. Take the lesson and become wiser.

It's funny (it's rather sad, actually, but nevertheless) to see how people divided into 2 camps.
Those who are trying to explain why "scammed ones" were wrong and those who are still defending stupid people's right to remain stupid (and almost be proud of their ignorance).

Stop encouraging stupid people, please.
Again, this is the reason we have "don't dry cats in microwave"\"don't turn over this cup with hot coffee"\"Hello, 911, i received hot sauce instead of non-spicy, do something with this".

Generation who can be easily manipulated were raised. Achievement goes to government (and to those "advocates" who is still justifying utterly stupid deeds with "it was not their fault")

Players who actually took EB+CI.
Why? "I've been told to, the guy said it would be good".
*facepalm* He was told to...
Excellent and congratulations.
Planet is fine, people are f**ked (c)

P.S.

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phrazz wrote:

The problem here is people trying to hide bad (in the rest of the world illegal) actions behind stupid people and a ToS.

Taking a kids lunch money is ok; "hey, kids are stupid"
Taking the money of a person with Downs; "hey, they're stupid - it's ok"

The ACTION is the same, no matter how naive the other part is.

Oh my god...
The actions are not the same. And your examples are still far from being equal.

Taking luch money usually with force is nowhere close to be "the same" with when the guy gave orbs to a random person without receiving ANY guarantees of the "service" to be granted\completed.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

You can't apply a definition of "oral contract" from the real world to this game, just as much as you can't apply the purchase of coffee. These things we're trading for aren't real. The actions we take in the game have ZERO real world consequences.

Actualy i can aply any and all laws in real world to this game.

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DasName wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Obviously stupid? That's your argument? Wow. Guess you win.

You are the one claiming that the morality ingame and "IRL" is diffrent, you are the one who has to tell ME why it is.

Your argument was: it is because it is

that'S obviously stupid.

So your claim is that I have to become a Nazi to play Germany in a wwii war game? Nope. Not going to buy that. It's a game. I can play the side of Germany and still sleep fine at night, knowing that I haven't compromised any moral code what so ever. There are no consequences of me playing Germany. No Jews die. No countries were kill, and millions of people are at home with their families.

Same goes for POE. The scammer has played his game, and the player scammed has played his game. Neither player is out anything. One has won and one has lost THE GAME, but neither has lost anything of value. It's only the displaced idea that we're actually in Waerclast with actual items and real people that makes it seem to these people that one player is harmed. He's not. He just believes he is.

Let me tell you the paradigms of the main accussers.

1. 'Morality is a main factor' Nope. Nothing forces you to follow morality and there's no set 'list of morality' or such. Who cares if someone doesn't follow morality? There is nothing about morality on law nor rules, and hence there's no reason to follow it.

2. 'My view is right' Your view is your view, not ours. Our view is our view, not yours. Neither of them are right, neither of them are wrong.

3. 'You are wrong even if I done it myself' Again, you could have prevented it yet you didn't. You're about as guilty as the scammer.

Did I miss anything?

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HarukaTeno wrote:

...stupid to fall for such simple "manipulation" - he deserved it.

I totally agree. They DID deserve it. They needed a lesson. Absolutely.

Does that make the action of the scammer OK? Not by a long shot.

Again: No matter how stupid they are, the action of the scammer is still the same: Planning to scam someone for currency/items - then executing the plan.

Forget the stupid victims. Forget the naive people. Forget how they do it:

Is it OK to take currency belonging to other players, without them wanting to?

Yes/no.

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phrazz wrote:

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HarukaTeno wrote:

...stupid to fall for such simple "manipulation" - he deserved it.

I totally agree. They DID deserve it. They needed a lesson. Absolutely.

Does that make the action of the scammer OK? Not by a long shot.

Again: No matter how stupid they are, the action of the scammer is still the same: Planning to scam someone for currency/items - then executing the plan.

Forget the stupid victims. Forget the naive people. Forget how they do it:

Is it OK to take currency belonging to other players, without them wanting to?

Yes/no.

You bolded that part for me, danke.

They wanted to, on a certain form. They gave them out willingly, and hence they wanted to.

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DasName wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

You can't apply a definition of "oral contract" from the real world to this game, just as much as you can't apply the purchase of coffee. These things we're trading for aren't real. The actions we take in the game have ZERO real world consequences.

Actualy i can aply any and all laws in real world to this game.

You can try to.
And it will be your way of thinking.
But you'll be heavily wrong. Why?

There are kills happening in this game! Would you go to court asking to arrest some guy who plays this game for killing your character at bandit's quest?
Come on... Your arguments are even more stupid than OP himself