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DasName wrote:
Actualy i can aply any and all laws in real world to this game.
This is actually written in the TOU:
" If you are accessing or making use of any of the Website, Materials and Services from outside of New Zealand then you agree that you are entirely responsible for ensuring that your access and use of any of the Website, Materials and Services will not contravene any laws in your country."
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Using the website/materials and services won't contravene the laws in my/your country. However other users may or may not.
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Posted byDasName#6192on Jan 2, 2015, 10:47:14 AM
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Shagsbeard wrote:
Worked hard for? You're kidding... right?
Are you not aware that there are people treating PoE as their job? Spending more time playing, that a regular guy spends working to earn the other guys welfare check?
Are you not aware they shouldn't? Let me give you an example.
EVE uses official RMT, allowed by the owners. A currency in the game is worth a lot, and EVE is #1 trade simulator out there. A random player blew up a cargo worth $6000. Was it wrong? No!
They played at their own risk and there are no rules against that.
You're going to talk about moral and grief? They matter nothing on Internet, like it or not.
If you ask a stupid question, expect stupid answers.
If you post a troll thread, expect troll replies.
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Posted byಠ__ಠ#7532on Jan 2, 2015, 10:48:18 AM
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Shagsbeard wrote:
Worked hard for? You're kidding... right?
Now I know how obtuse you are.
OF COURSE we worked hard for things in this game... do you know that I invested 3-4 hours DAILY and made hundreds of trades to gather 1500 fuses last league to be able to 6L an item? Do you understand that I actually worked, yes WORKED, just as hard in the GAME than I do in my real life job? Do you understand that I wasn't having fun - and that it was an actual JOB to me? (It was worse than a chore.) - It was work - and if someone somehow managed to get that item from me through some scam, do you understand that I would be upset IRL? That it would impact me on an emotional level?
You must be just playing devils advocate or some shit here just to troll.
Do you understand nobody cares for your 'loss'? That you could have prevented it? That it's your and only your problem?
If you ask a stupid question, expect stupid answers.
If you post a troll thread, expect troll replies. Last edited by ಠ__ಠ#7532 on Jan 2, 2015, 10:53:11 AM
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Posted byಠ__ಠ#7532on Jan 2, 2015, 10:52:26 AM
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FadeXF wrote:
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Shagsbeard wrote:
Worked hard for? You're kidding... right? You keep going back to RMT. It's against the rules to RMT. That will get you a ban. It should. The reason it should is so that we can play the game without having this argument. There are no real life losses when you lose that exalt if you're playing by the rules. So quit bringing RMT into it.
Stop dismissing it so quickly - it is valid. There is a real life currency value to each item you hold in this game.
Again: be that a flat out " HUMAN TIME VALUE" (HTV)or to make it more simple it has a currency value to it be that in USD, CD, pounds... whatever... you may not want to hear it, and YES RMT is illegal, it doesn't mean that the items still don't hold value to them in the real world.
Just because you don't like that argument, doesn't invalidate it, dad.
This is flat out ridiculous, and shagsbeard's argument is 100% valid, while yours is 100% invalid.
You aren't at work. You are playing a video game. You are not investing time. You are spending time being entertained by a medium.
The game doesn't owe you something because you spent time playing it.
E: And after reading your second post, I'm inclined to just ignore anything else you say. You are trying to make it up as playing PoE is a job. It's not a job, son. It is a video game.
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Posted byjarlaxelb#6980on Jan 2, 2015, 10:52:49 AM
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Yep. That's the heart of this argument. People have replaced their perceptions of the real world onto a game. They think that scamming a person within the game is the same as acting against the person in real life. They need to be told its just a game. And they lost. Big deal.
As I see it, the heart of this discussion is:
1) Actions
2) Moral
3) Intentions
Some humans have moral - some humans haven't. Some humans have mostly good intentions. Some humans haven't. Some humans believe that actions define who you are - some humans don't.
Human interactions online is in my eyes the same as IRL. The moral and politeness should't disappear once we can hide behind an alias.
But, it is from anonymity we see who people really are, which make this debate kind of sad.
Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.
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Posted byPhrazz#3529on Jan 2, 2015, 10:55:31 AM
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So your claim is that I have to become a Nazi to play Germany in a wwii war game? Nope. Not going to buy that. It's a game. I can play the side of Germany and still sleep fine at night, knowing that I haven't compromised any moral code what so ever. There are no consequences of me playing Germany. No Jews die. No countries were kill, and millions of people are at home with their families.
Same goes for POE. The scammer has played his game, and the player scammed has played his game. Neither player is out anything. One has won and one has lost THE GAME, but neither has lost anything of value. It's only the displaced idea that we're actually in Waerclast with actual items and real people that makes it seem to these people that one player is harmed. He's not. He just believes he is.
It isn't that easy. For example posting here in forums is obviously different than communicating in game. Let's say you offer me a (scamm) trade here an i accept. We start the game, you scamm me. Did you scam me in "Waerclast" or in reality. I'd say reality, outside the game.
By the way it doesn't matter if whatever was lost is of value. That's an entire different discussion.
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Posted byDasName#6192on Jan 2, 2015, 10:57:16 AM
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DasName wrote:
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Jaams wrote:
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DasName wrote:
Actualy i can aply any and all laws in real world to this game.
This is actually written in the TOU:
" If you are accessing or making use of any of the Website, Materials and Services from outside of New Zealand then you agree that you are entirely responsible for ensuring that your access and use of any of the Website, Materials and Services will not contravene any laws in your country."
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Using the website/materials and services won't contravene the laws in my/your country. However other users may or may not.
I think you misunderstood. I was just pointing out how the game makers agree with you, that you should apply real world laws to this game. Or are you saying that I've misinterpreted it?
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Posted byJaams#5127on Jan 2, 2015, 10:58:18 AM
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Looks like i misunderstood what you wanted to say, sorry.
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Posted byDasName#6192on Jan 2, 2015, 11:00:27 AM
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FadeXF wrote:
Why do you think RMT exists? Answer that question. Could it be that there is a RL value that can be associated to the items in the game?
I think RMT exists because because people would rather pay to get what they want than PLAY for it.
That's right, PLAY, not WORK.
And what I don't get, why does any of that affect you unless you are either buying or selling to RMT yourself? You seem to be quite worked up on this matter
Edit: no one cares about UO and your dad, stop bringing it up
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Posted byjarlaxelb#6980on Jan 2, 2015, 11:06:59 AM
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But we can't get it squared away until you admit you are wrong. The items hold no value. They are pixels in a video game.
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Posted byjarlaxelb#6980on Jan 2, 2015, 11:11:00 AM
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