The main source of frustation, especially for new players

Okay how many builds 100% require a 6 link compared to the ones that can use 4-5 with 6 link being an upgrade.

IF they are frustrated because 6-links are remotely hard to get this is the wrong genre for them.

I'm talking about it being hard enough to even get the 5th, let alone the 6th.

Still the point is, it shouldn't be frustrating to be able to progress. Trying to get that piece of equipment with all the right stats should be hard yes, but not progressing through the build.

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Grughal, only the worst 5L go for less than an exalt. The ones with mixed defense. Even a white 5L of a single defense type tends to go for at least an exalt. You might get them at like 20 chaos on some people but you have to be extremely lucky and spend several hours looking both through the market channel and poe.xyz to try and get them at 4 to 5 chaos and even then it's expensive. I wasn't even talking about carcass jack or lightning coils, even white armor at 5L, so long as it's single defense type tends to go for 1 exalt+.

Tabula rasa is something I'll never agree to be good. I wouldn't give more than a chaos or two if I was really desperate for a 6L that would give me all white sockets. The lack of defense is just that bad!

Again you are overlooking the point. 5L and 6L easily available only means you can make whatever build you want, it doesn't makes the content any easier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! People don't quit the game because the game is hard, people quit the game because they don't have the required links in their stuff to make the build work. I've explained this time and time again but it seems people cannot understand this very simple point. 6L doesn't makes the game easier, it merely allows for build diversity!

Most builds that require a 5L in all truth require at least 3 5L, one at level 35 to 40, one around 50 with better defense and one around 65 to 69 with a better yet defense. You may say that defense is not necessary, I disagree, lack of defense is what gets me killed. Even desyncs can be survived with level appropriate defense.

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I see your point. It's just a matter of flavours and the case happens to be that devs (and most of the current players) disagree with you. Having easy 6L wouldn't make anyone quit (Yes, you're right) but I'd argue the people who quit over "no 6L" would quit anyway later on when they can't sustain the map pool or can't find that Shavronnes etc. The 5L/6L scarcity isn't the only nor the worst frustration in the game. PoE is a niche game and often requires some sort of masochism to fully enjoy it.

• Having a 6L makes the game A LOT easier simply because your spells would be more powerful
• You don't need 3 x 5Ls as you present
• You don't need any stats on your chest, you can compensate for it elsewhere

You haven't played PoE long enough to know these things. You're looking things in more traditional RPGway and that's all good. I thought Tabula Rasa was pure shit aswell for the first year I played this game. I would have used 4L over it anyday but the more you play, more you learn...

Anyway, I'm not looking to drag this any further. My bottom line being, 6L easily available won't make anyone quit but it would require more power creep and would just make the quitters play a week or two longer, in my opinion. Of course, I am purely speculating so it comes down to the fact that we agree to disagree. And that's all cool.

EDIT: Hit me up with a PM if you're looking for cheap 5L for your buddy or so.

Using BM gem at lev 35 with life leech. and two posts above you said you don't need mana flasks because you leech from 2% mana leech. I'm lost now.

BTW (and bear in mind you said spell gem not attack): at level 35 you can link lev 9 firestorm (or fireball or flame surge or ball lightning) Lev 3 IAoE at 150% mana cost and Lev 5 BM gem at a whopping 234% mana mulitplier. With base mana cost of those spells of 18 at level 9 with both IAoE and BM it'll cost you 63 life to cast it once. with the damage output at those levels no life leech gem is going to support that. Those links at this level are stupid idea.

Please specify what build requires 5L at level 35 and maybe someone will be able to help you. There's a reason why some guides for builds reqiuring 5L-6L advise to level with something else (flameblast usually and not 5L for that) and switch to target spec around level 75.


You seem to think that it's impossible to progress without 5L at level 35 - sorry but you're wrong.

And I'm sorry 1-2 chaos for white sockets 6L? So what it doesn't have any defences? It makes up with DPS it gives you if used properly.

Oh that elusive 6L...

As a self found player getting this piece to finish your build seems to be quite hard. A thousand hours in game and I am yet to see one.

Atleast now it is possible to get with Vorici, I just hope I manage to get those 1500 fusings before I solo him to level 8... both targets are months away still.

Join the hard side, play solo self found.

Maybe the DEVs at this point in time disagree with me and most of the current players disagree with me. let's not forget that these most players already have more wealth than they can probably spend and if all the players who quit hadn't quit and were all to post on this post then the majority of the players would agree with me. But as I said before, most players don't care enough about the game to come to the forum and speak about this, they'll just quit the game especially because it is a free to play and it cost them nothing anyway.

You are wrong that people would give up on the game when they don't get a specific unique drop, at some point they are going to be geeting good gear and they can easily sell that gear on the market, especially if at 20% lower value than it is worth so that they can get quickly the one that they want. The players who make a living out of the market will just not pass up the opportunity for a much cheaper item anyway... I am not meaning to say that if it wasn't for this people wouldn't quit. Desyncs are a source of frustation too and tehre are some otehr but they are relatively minor when compared to the most basic abillity to simply progress.

Having a 6L makes my spells hit harder than a 5L. True, but let's consider that I already can reach normal Dominus on a 5L with 4.5K DPS. Tell me, if we are to say that I could reach it in 6L, merely for the sake or argument, how much of a difference would it make? I already melt his face in seconds a 6L would make me melt his face a second or two faster? So?.. It only means that builds which are made to work at 4 or 5 L would deal even more damage when it is already completly unnecessary, the gain is negligeble because the content was already a pushover anyway. But allowing the 5 and 6L easily allows for players to use different builds which do not work otherwise. This is why the game won't be any easier, because with the right build you already obliterate anything that comes within your field of view with little efforth. By limiting the number of linked sockets a player, especially a new player, can get get reasonably early you only limit his build diversity.

It is your opinion that I do not need 3x 5Ls, I say I do because I need the defense to keep up with the stronger enemies I face otherwise I start to die due to the lack of enough damage mitigation.

No you don't. The helmet + gloves + boots don't even give as much as the chest piece alone. I fail to see how is it possible to compensate for that except with a granite flask which I said earlier, I have absolutly no intention to ever use except for a really strong boss and that is because I'll damn well need it or I'll die in a hit or two.

I have played enough to know about tabula rasa. You may not agree with me there but it is a fact that whenever I do not have enough defenses I start dying. Dying is something that is not alright with me. I accept that it may happen sometimes, but without appropriate defenses I die too often to feel confortable playing. With tabula I'll just die so often that it won't even be worth to play, too much frustation.

Whenever I need an armor I'll hit you up and see what you have for what prices.

Gfurm - I gave you two dirrent example, my warrior needs no more than 2% physical leech while the example of a needed 6L was my mage for block/evasion/dodge which does need blood magic + life leech. Sorry if that was confusing for you.

If you think youre dying at the stages 35 to 60 in the game due to your defenses (armor and evasion) beeing too low and you think youre missing out on 250 base defense, then you are just not experienced enough and your expectations are not correct.
You dont need defenses on your five link, seriously, life can be rolled so high from so eraly on levels, improve through passive tree and make sure your resistances are capped. that will easily carry you to maps. I suspect youre getting killed by trying to gather armor/evasion too early by investing in it in the tree... allways go for life & resistances first.

Your idea with spell + life leech + IAoE + BM + ... at level 35 is not the wisest. Take out BM and run it on mana, dps + survivability should be better and you dont kill yourself while casting ^^
YOu can switch to your setup later, when auras get more important and you need the mana to run them.
At that level a 5 linked spell is often very managable through mana but i cannot see how you gimp yourself with the 230% multiplier from BM...

God, the walls of text...

While this argument ran on, I kept selling 5-link armours (with single stats, i.e. just armour) for 1c apiece, and leveled a character wearing a tabula to 72. I'm confident he'll easily go to 85+ wearing it.

So the facts are as they are. While some of the suggestions in this thread - aka maintaining a minimum number of links - are reasonable, the majority of the thread is arguments based on no knowledge. Tabula sucks, tabula sucks, every 5 link is 1 exalt min... shrug. I can only conclude you're a Gen Y gamer wanting the game changed to match your personal taste, because otherwise you might have actually levelled something to 80+ in the time it took you to write all the responses.

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derriesen wrote:

If you think youre dying at the stages 35 to 60 in the game due to your defenses (armor and evasion) beeing too low and you think youre missing out on 250 base defense, then you are just not experienced enough and your expectations are not correct.
You dont need defenses on your five link, seriously, life can be rolled so high from so eraly on levels, improve through passive tree and make sure your resistances are capped. that will easily carry you to maps. I suspect youre getting killed by trying to gather armor/evasion too early by investing in it in the tree... allways go for life & resistances first.

Your idea with spell + life leech + IAoE + BM + ... at level 35 is not the wisest. Take out BM and run it on mana, dps + survivability should be better and you dont kill yourself while casting ^^
YOu can switch to your setup later, when auras get more important and you need the mana to run them.
At that level a 5 linked spell is often very managable through mana but i cannot see how you gimp yourself with the 230% multiplier from BM...

That is a special build, it doesn't really gets any extra mana or any mana regen, I cannot sustain it even without any support attached. It's a weird extremely defensive build and yeah, it won't be very good early on but it does needs 5L from the very moment it gets there. I leveled it up till there as a melee but from the moment a 5L is possible I want it on the proper build.

That build aside which like I said, it's special and not really meant to be that great from the start, many times with many characters I just ended up dying in situations were if I took just a little bit less damage or had dodged one extra attack or even had 100 more hitpoints on the energy shield I'd have survived because whatever I was killing was left on a sliver of health. Bear in mind I'm alking about the kind of enemies that do not let you run easily and it's more likely that you'll die if you run than if you face tank it.

Davidnn5 - were those armors of a specific kind? Like only armor or only evasion or only energy shield? When i look for those I never find them at 1c or even 2c. Last one I bought I managed 4c and even that was a rarity of a find when all I see is 1 exalt for any specific defense type.

Also my arguments are based on knowledge. The knowledge that many times I have died because I didn't had a good enough defense because for over 15 level no armor dropped for me. when i have appropriate level armor it's rare that I die. Heck the last time it happened was today cause I needed to kill the target and none of his guards (Vorici you bastard, give me the kill all damnit!). The Guards managed to stunlock me long enough for me to die and it still took them a long while. If I had a tabula then I don't see how I could do the mission because I'd be missing half my armor so my damage reduction would go from 51% to 25%... Sure I could do it, I'd only have to die several times in a row before I could get enough hits. Do not devalue other people's experience just because yours is different.