Legal Vs. Ethical in HC

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thevdende wrote:

Personally, I only play games for my own enjoyment, not to inflict my judgement on other people, or decide how they should be allowed to enjoy a game.

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Jojas wrote:

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thevdende wrote:

Personally, I only play games for my own enjoyment, not to inflict my judgement on other people, or decide how they should be allowed to enjoy a game.

But you do that, whether you know it or not. Imagine a hack that lets you generate an endless amount of exalts. Obviously, the more people using that hack exist in a league, the more prices for certain items would rise. Wouldn't you think that this should not be allowed?
Basically, wouldn't you want to take away the enjoyment of the game for some people because you think - for the sake of the economy, the game and everybody playing it - it is the right thing to do?
And wouldn't you inflict your judgement on these people because they knowingly put their own personal enjoyment above that of everybody else's, and above a system that has troubles with stability anyway?
Don't tell me you wouldn't think that they are assholes. Especially when that one unique that you need for your build does not cost 2 exalts anymore, but 50.

The effect of course is not remotely as huge with maphacking, etc. Does that make it right? Shouldn't people speak against such practices, just because the effects are not as strong and obvious?

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thevdende wrote:

I always wonder at these posts, if you are enjoying the game; why care? It seems a huge waste of time to qq over things you know will never be changed.

I watch some streamers multiclient too, and their chat is always full of whiners, thinking that its illigal, and shouting and screaming that said streamer should be banned. Honestly, performing a multibox in hardcore is extremely difficult; I can only have respect for people who manage to pull it off.

People need to use macros because the way poe is scripted necessitates them. You can honestly not play the game without an /oos macro at the least.

There is a distinction within macros though; I believe macros that move your mouse pointer are illigal (and should be) or those that trigger simultaneous events (Potion quaff + log out).

However, I enjoy the game immensely without multiboxing, or using a ton of macros, I only use /oos. If I compare my dominus loot which I get running it solo with pretty shoddy iiq/iir 80/200 or something, to that of a multi boxer, the difference in uniques isnt actually that great, sometimes I even do better than the multiboxer. They may get 100s of rares but the valuable drops are barely any more frequent for them than for anyone else, just because of the way statistics work, 400% more iir, on a actual chance of 1/1000000 is barely going to make a difference. I really think this is just symptomatic of human nature, people getting jelly baby. And they will start copying the behavior because they feel they are slacking and then they will take it one step further, and then they get banned. That is the life of an mmo player.

TL;DR You jelly baby?

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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thevdende wrote:

I always wonder at these posts, if you are enjoying the game; why care? It seems a huge waste of time to qq over things you know will never be changed.

I watch some streamers multiclient too, and their chat is always full of whiners, thinking that its illigal, and shouting and screaming that said streamer should be banned. Honestly, performing a multibox in hardcore is extremely difficult; I can only have respect for people who manage to pull it off.

People need to use macros because the way poe is scripted necessitates them. You can honestly not play the game without an /oos macro at the least.

There is a distinction within macros though; I believe macros that move your mouse pointer are illigal (and should be) or those that trigger simultaneous events (Potion quaff + log out).

However, I enjoy the game immensely without multiboxing, or using a ton of macros, I only use /oos. If I compare my dominus loot which I get running it solo with pretty shoddy iiq/iir 80/200 or something, to that of a multi boxer, the difference in uniques isnt actually that great, sometimes I even do better than the multiboxer. They may get 100s of rares but the valuable drops are barely any more frequent for them than for anyone else, just because of the way statistics work, 400% more iir, on a actual chance of 1/1000000 is barely going to make a difference. I really think this is just symptomatic of human nature, people getting jelly baby. And they will start copying the behavior because they feel they are slacking and then they will take it one step further, and then they get banned. That is the life of an mmo player.

TL;DR You jelly baby?

PoE is online game. You cant deny that. You have to trade and party to get good gaming experience at later stages. You cant deny that too. Why you deny that how other play doesnt affect you, when in fact it does?


My opinion about OP is totally clear. There SHOULD be a certain rules of what should and what shouldnt be allowed in ARPG like PoE.

Zoomhack? No way. It makes ranged characters even better than they are. If you fell you dont see far enough, ask GGG to increase area of view.

Maphack? No way. It's GGG fault that the game loads whole map to client.

Instant logout? NO WAY! There is a harsh death penalty, and allowing players to instantly logout in combat as the MOST ABSURD thing i've ever seen in the games. All those who do it are fucking retards who fear death. I do not fear death. I have the spirit of true Karui.
And there are a plenty of ways to suravive without instant logout, BTW.

Culling for rarity? NO WAY! Culling for rarity is probably the 2-nd most absurd thing i've seen in ARPG. You either do that killing a monster uses item rarity of the players proportional to damage dealt, or split rarity from entire team equally, or just remove item rarity fuck away from the game! The last option will be the best, BTW. I think improving your drop using specific stat is retarded logic. Players should get better drop facing tougher enemies (thus having higher level and gear with better combat stats).
Without item rarity, multiboxing wont be an issue, i think. It's still retarded, though.

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thevdende wrote:

Another person who hasn't actually read past the first sentance of my posts zzzz. Basicly what I'm saying is I have absolutely no problem with people taking the fullest advantage of what the rules of this game allow them to do, e.i. multibox 6 clients if they can. If you can pull off manually multiboxing 6 clients across 3 computers in hardcore, you deserve the lewt. period.

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Cataca wrote:

I do not see how ethical comes into play here, people are not obliged to play by your set of rules and ethical conundrums. Because you find something unfair, doesnt mean that they will understand that it is unfair for you.