Legal Vs. Ethical in HC

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Eternallight wrote:

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Ludvator wrote:

nice post. Id say too good for general discussion

you know, people lie, cheat, scam, doing whatever to gain advantage, be it in RL, or in a game.. Im affraid, no matter what devs do, people will allways find ways..

Im playing for fun only thus I wouldnt need to care too much, but I can immagine how frustrating being an "ethical" competetive player can be

This is exactly the truth, and why I dont try to compete.
I am running a build right now that would never even be in the top 10000 let alone top 100.

I decided to make a build around

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Its hilarious, I run around with like 150% move speed and get some +300% increased damage. Its not actually anything worthwhile though since all my nodes are +evasion and I have low life and don't want to bother with spending 1000000 ex on mirror worthy gear to make the build op (and even then its not a bow or dagger build... or even crit)

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inDef wrote:

My point is, how other people play the game doesn't affect YOUR fun and YOUR style of playing the game. Play the game however the hell you want. But don't come here and claim some imaginary moral high ground for other players choosing to play the game differently.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

In Hardcore, if a character dies, they're out of the league. This doesn't only affect the character, it affects the economy, because all items that character had died with them, and as far as HC is concerned, are gone forever. It is never possible in HC for you to be using an item that belonged to a character that died, because their items were taken out with them.

In Anarchy, characters can continue when they die. While we track character deaths and could move to hardcore only characters that never died in Anarchy, they would be carrying items that do not belong in a hardcore economy, because they've traded with characters who died, and obtained items tainted by death. These characters managed not to die by directly benefiting from a non-HC economy, where far more items are easily available because they aren't constantly leaving, and would carry hundreds of death-tainted items to HC with them, should such a transfer occur.

Even if we kept death counts for every individual item in the league, and didn't transfer those, we'd have characters arriving in hardcore without most of their gear, losing HC gems that were socketed in non-HC items, and fundamentally, we're still putting characters in HC who didn't avoid dying in hardcore.

Not dying in a softcore league and not dying in a hardcore league are not the same, because the softcore league has far more easily available items in the economy, due to them not leaving when characters with them die. It's easier to gear up.
A character who only "didn't die" in Anarchy did not achieve the same as a character who didn't die in HC. They probably used items that wouldn't exist in a hardcore economy. They almost certainly benefited from the larger numbers of items in the economy. If they ever played in parties with characters that died, then they made progress they could not have made in HC.

A character who didn't die in Anarchy, or any other softcore league, is not equivalent to one who doesn't die in hardcore. As such, moving characters from such leagues to hardcore would not be reasonable.

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Swagtrain wrote:

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Pwnther wrote:

Doesn't that makes you feel so much better knowing you are grown up and don't want/need training wheels to play?

Sure makes me feel better anyways.

You feel like a grown up because of the way you play a video game.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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BackwoodsS wrote:

I find my life is much improved if I concern myself with what I am doing rather than what other people are doing.

BTW, big thanks to GGG for the free game.