[1.2.0]<Theory> Meraxus' Freeze Pulser - 40% BUFF HYPE

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Ziiyo wrote:
I am trying to min max this build.

I think that innerforce and Shaper would be a much better investment than getting the Template 40% regen and few elemental damage nodes right at the base of the tree?

Also looking at removing the Flask nodes (alchamist) and nimbelness (cast speed) to reach the Sovereignty nodes which would mean greater buffs (clarity, dicipline and purity of Ice) BUT more importantly, it could lead to another Aura being run due to decreased mana reserves.

Auras X (Aura buff + Self Buff) - meaning all those aura and self buff nodes would stack much more when added.

I dont see the flask nodes being that important, your aim it to crit and freeze along with MOM + AA your defence would be good enough and you can kite for days.

let me know what you think about these changes.

-Thanks


The flask nodes are extremely beneficial for both +13% resistances from sapphire flasks, capping 75 block and 24 spellblock from a Rumi's Concoction and allowing those buffs to last 18% longer. Auras are not very efficient if you aren't scaling them as much as possible, you end up just taking from the build to fulfill one extra purity aura. If you want to deal with reflect then spellblocking/ pyre are cheaper alternatives.
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Ziiyo wrote:
I am trying to min max this build.

I think that innerforce and Shaper would be a much better investment than getting the Template 40% regen and few elemental damage nodes right at the base of the tree?

Also looking at removing the Flask nodes (alchamist) and nimbelness (cast speed) to reach the Sovereignty nodes which would mean greater buffs (clarity, dicipline and purity of Ice) BUT more importantly, it could lead to another Aura being run due to decreased mana reserves.

Auras X (Aura buff + Self Buff) - meaning all those aura and self buff nodes would stack much more when added.

I dont see the flask nodes being that important, your aim it to crit and freeze along with MOM + AA your defence would be good enough and you can kite for days.

let me know what you think about these changes.

-Thanks


IMO the reduced reservation are not the "thing" in the current meta. If you don't get ALL of them from the upper part of the tree(54% aura effects and 34% reduced reservation) it's not worth bothering.

Sovereignty is like 14% mana reservation and 10% aura effects - not much in IMO. So instead of trying to buff purity of Ice, you could get Flask effects' nodes and buff resistance flasks. For 3 passive points you get an easy 3% max res.

Also getting Inner force cluster(21% buff effects) with drastically increase the mana drain of AA. So unless you have about 300+ mana regen, I would skip them.

On the other side if you DO manage to get that much regen, it could be good because if you use Herald of Ice it will buff it noticeably thus increasing the base cold damage - which is very powerful.

@SlightRedeye - How does Pyre help with reflect? It only converts cold to fire. I also never had problems with reflect. Consider that FP best scales with cast speed, not damage.
Last edited by nebunelux#1236 on Aug 22, 2014, 4:58:43 AM
How much are you guys leveling Clarity?
Started to test freezing pulse after patch.

Using clarity, discpline and herald of ice in alpha's howl. I was using haste instead of herald but even my herald is low level, its superior to haste.

I ended up with around 3.6k hp, 6.1k unreserved mana with discpline and 980~ after reserves.
Have around 450~ mana per second.

Dps is good enough even i am 87 level. Only the issue is i am missing IR. I have no armour at all and sometimes cwd immortall call doesnt enough for leap slammers.

About the build, i ve tested similar build for my templar aswell. I think templar area is a bit messy. +1 powercharge is awesome ofcourse but maybe i will turn left after i get some level. Somehow having less crit chance on my build. Maybe would better to switch a crit chance wand instead of spell damage boost. I will tweak it a bit more and i ll give some exact numbers when i get to home.


Edit: I have left so much mana unreserved right now, i am not using MoM yet and its overkill with even high lvl AA and auras. Maybe can aciheve to get another aura with reserved mana nodes and have haste or purity.

Also the other hard thing is the dex. You need a lot dex stats on gear.


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nebunelux wrote:
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Ziiyo wrote:
I am trying to min max this build.

I think that innerforce and Shaper would be a much better investment than getting the Template 40% regen and few elemental damage nodes right at the base of the tree?

Also looking at removing the Flask nodes (alchamist) and nimbelness (cast speed) to reach the Sovereignty nodes which would mean greater buffs (clarity, dicipline and purity of Ice) BUT more importantly, it could lead to another Aura being run due to decreased mana reserves.

Auras X (Aura buff + Self Buff) - meaning all those aura and self buff nodes would stack much more when added.

I dont see the flask nodes being that important, your aim it to crit and freeze along with MOM + AA your defence would be good enough and you can kite for days.

let me know what you think about these changes.

-Thanks


IMO the reduced reservation are not the "thing" in the current meta. If you don't get ALL of them from the upper part of the tree(54% aura effects and 34% reduced reservation) it's not worth bothering.

Sovereignty is like 14% mana reservation and 10% aura effects - not much in IMO. So instead of trying to buff purity of Ice, you could get Flask effects' nodes and buff resistance flasks. For 3 passive points you get an easy 3% max res.

Also getting Inner force cluster(21% buff effects) with drastically increase the mana drain of AA. So unless you have about 300+ mana regen, I would skip them.

On the other side if you DO manage to get that much regen, it could be good because if you use Herald of Ice it will buff it noticeably thus increasing the base cold damage - which is very powerful.

@SlightRedeye - How does Pyre help with reflect? It only converts cold to fire. I also never had problems with reflect. Consider that FP best scales with cast speed, not damage.


great point about AA scaling. I actually missed that one as I didnt factor it in. Also if cast speeed > damage nodes... Do you think its really wise to go so deep into the Templar tree? I mean surely removing those ele damage nodes in favour of say nimbleness and some other cast speed and projectiles toward shadow side is better?

Could you post your variation of this freeze pulse build. I would love to see what you are doing.

-Thanks
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rasmon wrote:
Started to test freezing pulse after patch.

Using clarity, discpline and herald of ice in alpha's howl. I was using haste instead of herald but even my herald is low level, its superior to haste.

I ended up with around 3.6k hp, 6.1k unreserved mana with discpline and 980~ after reserves.
Have around 450~ mana per second.

Dps is good enough even i am 87 level. Only the issue is i am missing IR. I have no armour at all and sometimes cwd immortall call doesnt enough for leap slammers.

About the build, i ve tested similar build for my templar aswell. I think templar area is a bit messy. +1 powercharge is awesome ofcourse but maybe i will turn left after i get some level. Somehow having less crit chance on my build. Maybe would better to switch a crit chance wand instead of spell damage boost. I will tweak it a bit more and i ll give some exact numbers when i get to home.


Edit: I have left so much mana unreserved right now, i am not using MoM yet and its overkill with even high lvl AA and auras. Maybe can aciheve to get another aura with reserved mana nodes and have haste or purity.

Also the other hard thing is the dex. You need a lot dex stats on gear.


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This is exactly my tree.. kinda creepy :) Excellent point on herald of ice though, i need to get my hands on one of those gems so i can test it against my current haste. Curious as why you don't take CoD as your chest? The MoM mitigation is so nice especially with your massive mana pool. Another question on your 6L gem choices, what's your thought on increased crit damage over cold penetration? i only have a 5L so i run FP+GMP+Echo+PCoC+Cpen. Would it be better to go with increased crit over Cpen? For that matter, would it be better to run a level 1 empower over Cpen? Final question, is crit chance/multi and chaos resi on your rings a must?

Thanks for reading through my questions!
**EDIT** wow just realized you have the #1 saintly, disregard my question about running CoD!!
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Last edited by lDantonl#7148 on Aug 22, 2014, 9:48:32 AM
I feel like there are 3 major problems with FP:
1) Elemental Reflect (without Vaal pact or items i'll never own)
2) Generating and sustaining Power Charges (without using PCOC)
3) Making use of shock (without added lightning damage)

Thats why I am hardly trying to create a crit FP build with a decent amount of block. I want to test if EB/MoM, high Spell Block and Purity of Ice are enough to handle elemental reflect.

Pyre + AA seems to be a valid option to encounter Ele Reflect aswell. I even thought about using The Three Dragons to be able to shock with FP (Pyre: Cold to Fire, Three Dragons: Fire damage shocks right?).

Another reason why I want high block is the buff to curse on hit. I'd love to run Tempest Shield - Curse on Hit - Assassin's Mark to generate Power Charges.

This is what I came up with so far. I'm sacrificing alot for 20% Block chance (and +8% Spell Block).

Using Rathpith Globe, Stone of Lazhwar and Rainbowstrides I'd end up with 54% Block and 75% Spell Block. Don't know if it's actually worth it.

FP Support gems will be: GMP - Echo - Cold Pen - Life Leech - Inc Crit Damage

Feedback is highly appreciated.

*EDIT Updated build. Forgot the 10% Block cluster above templar. Specced out of the witch block cluster.
Last edited by kahzin#4293 on Aug 22, 2014, 11:08:14 AM
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Ziiyo wrote:

great point about AA scaling. I actually missed that one as I didnt factor it in. Also if cast speeed > damage nodes... Do you think its really wise to go so deep into the Templar tree? I mean surely removing those ele damage nodes in favour of say nimbleness and some other cast speed and projectiles toward shadow side is better?

Could you post your variation of this freeze pulse build. I would love to see what you are doing.

-Thanks


Planned Build. This is what I have planned for endgame though I am not high level yet due to lack of time.

There are a few things that can be moved around depending on how it goes and gear.
This tree should provide a good amount of life, solid crits, superior cast speed (FP has very high cast speed by itself + a lot of cast speed for tree it will be very fast), 5 power charges(the 6th from merciless bandits), sufficient mana and mana regen for defense(AA,MoM).

In late game(80+) when it will matter, the Alchemist cluster(flask effect nodes) could also be considered.

Clarity Discipline and Herald of Ice can easily be run without any aura nodes.

Also this build is very flexible, you can used for any crit spellcaster. You like Ball Lightning better? No problem, switch the 8 cold damage passives to lightning damage ones. Problem solved.
Last edited by nebunelux#1236 on Aug 22, 2014, 10:16:10 AM
When using Pyre, since it converts 100% of Cold Damage to Fire Damage; would you then use a Fire Penetration Gem instead of Cold Penetration?
Thanks :)
So how do I go about getting stunned so much..

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