The next thing that needs to be redesigned for the sake of balance

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DeviantLightning wrote:
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MortalKombat3 wrote:
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DeviantLightning wrote:


Except going over the cap isn't nearly that trivial. Going over the cap has opportunity cost. Only three uniques directly raise your resist cap and they come with hefty drawbacks. Purity auras obviously compete with other auras and requires further itemization and speccing. Flasks obviously take up slot.


Really? REALLY?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUJFuRoWyWc


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Separately, each of those are relatively OK. But added together (auras+passives+items+flasks), they allow player to have 100% resists to all elements. Yes, this requires certain efforts, but the benefit (invulnerability) is clearly worth that. Furthermore, it's OP and imbalanced as hell.

If you add Immortal Call and Chaos Inoculation there, you can even build a char, that is COMPLETELY INVINCIBLE. Just try it, it will probably be quite a fun.


You're a CI build with power uniques who went down to Marauder, and gave up a shield he could've used for more ES. If you hadn't noticed that's a huge points and gearing sink. It's incredibly substantial. (On top of the Dream Fragments or Auxium and an Eye of Chaluya you're already wearing.)

I deleted my explanation of why Saffell's has severe trade offs but thought this was evident to anybody who actually looked at it. It has no armor, ES or resists to speak of. It has no life. It has spellblock which is only good if you spec block nodes (which are expensive and spread out) and are willing to give up physical block.

So for most intents and purposes it's a wooden board that won't block anything and won't give you any other stats.

If you're sinking your helmet slot for Geofri's/Alpha's then yes, it's conceivably quite easy to run three Purity auras with Discipline and cap them at level 23. But again, still no ES. And you then just implied to me you spent more points for aura economy and buffs.

You also forget to mention, that this build has vulnerabilities to physical that you're just patching over with granites and Immortal Call. And I sure wouldn't use CWDT to kick off the latter.

Flasks are temporary and a build optimized for max resist is hardly the only build that can use them.


I didnt meant MY own build. In fact, i just wait to buy Atziri's Acuity, as it will allow me to make much better build without VP.

You CAN do build, that can permanently be under effects of topaz/sapphire/ruby flasks (having 100% elemental resists) AND immortal call (100% physical resist) AND use CI (100% chaos resist). There is even several ways to do so. You can even keep a good DPS and a good ES amount. Not OP? Lol, those builds are already being abused in Invasion....
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MortalKombat3 wrote:
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I didnt meant MY own build. In fact, i just wait to buy Atziri's Acuity, as it will allow me to make much better build without VP.

You CAN do build, that can permanently be under effects of topaz/sapphire/ruby flasks (having 100% elemental resists) AND immortal call (100% physical resist) AND use CI (100% chaos resist). There is even several ways to do so. You can even keep a good DPS and a good ES amount. Not OP? Lol, those builds are already being abused in Invasion....


Post such build
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H4NS wrote:
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MortalKombat3 wrote:
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I didnt meant MY own build. In fact, i just wait to buy Atziri's Acuity, as it will allow me to make much better build without VP.

You CAN do build, that can permanently be under effects of topaz/sapphire/ruby flasks (having 100% elemental resists) AND immortal call (100% physical resist) AND use CI (100% chaos resist). There is even several ways to do so. You can even keep a good DPS and a good ES amount. Not OP? Lol, those builds are already being abused in Invasion....


Post such build


Romira's Banquet + Voll's Protector + Voll's Devotion, and IC linked to CoC. This is enough to easily keep IC up indefinetely. Probably, ST will be the best there, but other skills are possible too.
Surgeon flasks + decent amount of crit + BiS crit dagger (typical requirements for CI dagger build).
Auras - 3 "purities", you can easily keep up all of them.
Sources of max resists - Flasks + witch flask nodes (13%), Saffel's Frame shield (4%), Elemental Adaptation (2%), Purity auras with + 50% aura effect (6%). 25% total = invulnerability to elemental damage.
Belt with increase flask charges gain/duration (Magnate or proper rare).

I think, the remaining job to complete the build is just details, and you can make it yourself easily. I'm just too lazy to do everything for you.
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Last edited by MortalKombat3#6961 on Jun 24, 2014, 9:58:34 AM
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MortalKombat3 wrote:


Romira's Banquet + Voll's Protector + Voll's Devotion, and IC linked to CoC. This is enough to easily keep IC up indefinetely. Probably, ST will be the best there, but other skills are possible too.
Surgeon flasks + decent amount of crit + BiS crit dagger (typical requirements for CI dagger build).
Auras - 3 "purities", you can easily keep up all of them.
Sources of max resists - Flasks + witch flask nodes (13%), Saffel's Frame shield (4%), Elemental Adaptation (2%), Purity auras with + 50% aura effect (6%). 25% total = invulnerability to elemental damage.
Belt with increase flask charges gain/duration (Magnate or proper rare).

I think, the remaining job to complete the build is just details, and you can make it yourself easily. I'm just too lazy to do everything for you.


I don't see any build here, just theorycrafting;

Romira's Banquet makes you "lose" power charges, not "expire" or "consume".

This "CI" attempt also has a shitty chest, amulet and ring. It also has no main skill at all

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I don't see any build here, just theorycrafting;

Romira's Banquet makes you "lose" power charges, not "expire" or "consume".

This "CI" attempt also has a shitty chest, amulet and ring. It also has no main skill at all

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The only thing that works in your defense is that that build is not 100% immune, but it is 99.5% immune.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Last edited by Yeran_GGG#0000 on Jun 25, 2014, 3:45:30 AM
So Atziri's Acuity gets name dropped, you cite a bunch of crit mechanics involving infinite flasks and you think the problem is max resists? It's the laziest design involving 4-5 no-ES uniques, one of which isn't even in print anymore.

Congratulations, you have a tanky build. Sort of. It looks like the sort of thing that gets bug splatted the moment it messes up or can't attack. And it's a contorted path to the same end goal that is achievable without max resist stacking.

And as already admitted by MK, there are "better" builds.
Just flippantly assert that you wait to buy Atziri's Acuity.
Last edited by DeviantLightning#7374 on Jun 24, 2014, 1:15:07 PM
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DeviantLightning wrote:
So Atziri's Acuity gets name dropped, you cite a bunch of crit mechanics involving infinite flasks and you think the problem is max resists? It's the laziest design involving 4-5 no-ES uniques, one of which isn't even in print anymore.

Congratulations, you have a tanky build. Sort of. It looks like the sort of thing that gets bug splatted the moment it messes up or can't attack. And it's a contorted path to the same end goal that is achievable without max resist stacking.

And as already admitted by MK, there are "better" builds.
Just flippantly assert that you wait to buy Atziri's Acuity.


I just want to try Atziri's Acuity myself to see how OP it is. Also, without it my build cant face reflect (another broken mechanics) properly. Still, i probably wont play PoE for long unless more badass things get fixed.

Oh, and that was just one way to do so.

Against a pack of monsters, the simple Enduring Cry + Immortal Call will be enough to be immune to physical. Nothing is more simple than that.

And if you dont find close to permanent invinciblity OP, then he have nothing to talk about. Enjoy playing your game with broken mechanics and broken balance. There are shittons of such games.
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Last edited by MortalKombat3#6961 on Jun 25, 2014, 3:25:31 AM
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MortalKombat3 wrote:

Against a pack of monsters, the simple Enduring Cry + Immortal Call will be enough to be immune to physical. Nothing is more simple than that.

And if you dont find close to permanent invinciblity OP, then he have nothing to talk about. Enjoy playing your game with broken mechanics and broken balance. There are shittons of such games.


Immortal call disappoints me. Ew invulns.
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Pretty much this. You went from talking about maximum resists to Immortal Call.

If we're talking packs of monsters (AKA trash), being virtually invulnerable to them isn't hard. There's arctic armor, high armor, life, leech, block. Hell, evasion too.

I'm really getting tired of your incessant smuggery. You don't have to constantly imply that everything is so obvious that I shouldn't be disagreeing. Your points sort of hinge on everything but maximum resists.

You've given me more reasons to consider the Surgeon's affix a bigger problem, as many high end builds abuse them even if they don't particularly abuse max resist.

Last edited by DeviantLightning#7374 on Jun 25, 2014, 6:35:04 PM
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MortalKombat3 wrote:
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DeviantLightning wrote:
So Atziri's Acuity gets name dropped, you cite a bunch of crit mechanics involving infinite flasks and you think the problem is max resists? It's the laziest design involving 4-5 no-ES uniques, one of which isn't even in print anymore.

Congratulations, you have a tanky build. Sort of. It looks like the sort of thing that gets bug splatted the moment it messes up or can't attack. And it's a contorted path to the same end goal that is achievable without max resist stacking.

And as already admitted by MK, there are "better" builds.
Just flippantly assert that you wait to buy Atziri's Acuity.


I just want to try Atziri's Acuity myself to see how OP it is. Also, without it my build cant face reflect (another broken mechanics) properly. Still, i probably wont play PoE for long unless more badass things get fixed.

Oh, and that was just one way to do so.

Against a pack of monsters, the simple Enduring Cry + Immortal Call will be enough to be immune to physical. Nothing is more simple than that.

And if you dont find close to permanent invinciblity OP, then he have nothing to talk about. Enjoy playing your game with broken mechanics and broken balance. There are shittons of such games.


And again, you haven't shown me a build that gets permanent invincibility.

What are you even doing?

Reflect is not a broken mechanic, btw

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