General Discussion - The next thing that needs to be redesigned for the sake of balance - Forum

" Ceryneian wrote: So thinking about all this, I'm pretty sure the most practical and flexible solution for GGG is to introduce resistance penetration modifiers on mobs, and NOT redo the whole resistance system to diminishing returns. Math nitpick note: The armour formula actually does not have diminishing returns on EHP, but linear EHP progression. Therefore, if someone is advocating making resistances "like armour" (such as a a/(a+b) type of formula), then that's actually not diminishing returns, but linear returns. Capped mitigations such as the current resists or block chance, on the other hand, are escalating returns systems. In particular, it seems players expect some form of exponential growth, even if the exponent is rather small. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Jun 20, 2014, 3:09:18 AM	Posted by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Jun 20, 2014, 3:07:38 AM Quote this Post
" MortalKombat3 wrote: " ScrotieMcB wrote: " mazul wrote: What it should be changed to is a formula such as Diablo 3 and LoL: Damage reduction against elemental damage = x/(a + bx) where x is some form of resistance stat and "a" and "b" are constants. I fucking hate this suggestion. I think capped resists are a really cool itemization challenge. When you are gearing you character, you're trying to reach that cap, and getting too much resistance on gear doesn't help, so it becomes a matching game* rather than a stacking game. Capped stats on gear create experientially different gear selection challenges and thus should not be removed from the game for any reason. Capped resists can be balanced, when they're considered mandatory for surviving. No capped res? Perpare to die, your build/gear isnt viable. I can accept that as game design, although it makes gear selection a pain in the ass. But cap thould be FIXED IN STONE then. It shouldnt be ever possible to increase your maximum resists, as it breaks the whole idea apart. You cant balance increasing returns, unless cap exists and is considered mandatory. Do you want to state, that 100% elemental resist should be a starting point for elemental damage balance? So elemental damage should outright oneshot anyone, if he doesnt have immunity? What a poor design it is... Except going over the cap isn't nearly that trivial. Going over the cap has opportunity cost. Only three uniques directly raise your resist cap and they come with hefty drawbacks. Purity auras obviously compete with other auras and requires further itemization and speccing. Flasks obviously take up slot. I'm fine with how resist affixes gives value to gear in the economy. I'm fine with 75 to 77 resists just being a mandatory gearing zone. Last edited by DeviantLightning#7374 on Jun 20, 2014, 6:29:30 AM	Posted by DeviantLightning#7374 on Jun 20, 2014, 5:47:24 AM Quote this Post
"BUHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, I can not afford the gear i want. >Better nerf the whole game to fit my wallet then!" - Go play world of Casualcraft if the grind is a problem for you. Atleast there you will be given free gear for little to no effort! - There is no problem what so ever with resistances as it is now. Move along, nothing to see here. zzZzzzZzzZz	Posted by Tzaina#1504 on Jun 20, 2014, 6:05:47 AM Quote this Post
" MortalKombat3 wrote: Capped resists can be balanced, when they're considered mandatory for surviving. No capped res? Perpare to die, your build/gear isnt viable. I can accept that as game design, although it makes gear selection a pain in the ass. But cap thould be FIXED IN STONE then. It shouldnt be ever possible to increase your maximum resists, as it breaks the whole idea apart. You cant balance increasing returns, unless cap exists and is considered mandatory. Do you want to state, that 100% elemental resist should be a starting point for elemental damage balance? So elemental damage should outright oneshot anyone, if he doesnt have immunity? What a poor design it is... It's not quite that black-and-white. When you're dealing with the possibility of 85% or higher resistance versus 75%, then yes, it's impossible to scale things correctly for both. However, 60% resist versus 70% is within the realm of reasonable scaling, and something along the lines of 60% resist versus 85% is still reasonable when it is dependent on flask use. (75% vs 95% is unreasonable even when it's dependent on flask use.) In other words, we don't need a zero-tolerance policy. At this point, it's unrealistic to ask for one anyway, as too many items and skills grant them. It's best to just work with what we have in a way which reduces the scaling from 2x to 5x, to something more like 1.3x to 3x. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Jun 20, 2014, 6:53:45 AM	Posted by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Jun 20, 2014, 6:08:27 AM Quote this Post
Best thread in GD atm. Congratz to all participants. Peace, -Boem- Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes	Posted by Boem#2861 on Jun 20, 2014, 6:42:36 AM On Probation Quote this Post
Being 1 shotted by ele damage with max resistances is rubbish balance. (b) Personal abuse, foul language, inappropriate subject matter, obscene, harassing, threatening, hateful, or discriminatory or defamatory remarks of any nature ... are not permitted. - PoE TOS.	Posted by bhavv#7360 on Jun 20, 2014, 7:24:43 AM Quote this Post
" bhavv wrote: Being 1 shotted by ele damage with max resistances is rubbish balance. Depends what by. Vaal Slam (part fire) or Touch of God (part lightning)? Telegraphed as hell, so I'm totally fine with people with max resists getting "one-shot" by it. I use "one-shot" in quotes because I'm imagining more of a 80-90% of max life hit which kills the marginally damage character. I'm a little less comfortable with drains for absolutely full life. Some other things, not so much. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Jun 20, 2014, 7:28:59 AM	Posted by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Jun 20, 2014, 7:27:29 AM Quote this Post
I've never been able to survive touch of god. I have no idea how to avoid it. (b) Personal abuse, foul language, inappropriate subject matter, obscene, harassing, threatening, hateful, or discriminatory or defamatory remarks of any nature ... are not permitted. - PoE TOS.	Posted by bhavv#7360 on Jun 20, 2014, 7:29:07 AM Quote this Post
" bhavv wrote: I've never been able to survive touch of god. I have no idea how to avoid it. Just walk away. You cant argue with Dominus so let him hit air.	Posted by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014, 7:30:07 AM
" Depends what by. Vaal Slam (part fire) or Touch of God (part lightning)? Telegraphed as hell, so I'm totally fine with people with max resists getting one-shot by it. Some other things, not so much. Depends on the reliability of your prediction model. It moves away from good design if that prediction model fails since it instills bad-player-experiences. The intention is solid, the execution not so much. Peace, -Boem- Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes	Posted by Boem#2861 on Jun 20, 2014, 7:30:12 AM On Probation Quote this Post