Love playing PoE? Tired of trading or RMT - or do you enjoy either? Vote here!

As long as you never, ever, ever use this poll as any type of "statistical evidence" of what the "community wants" then, sure it's fine, basically the happy meal toy of polls, a shiny trinket that they can wave around. But, actually something that carries zero weight.

This poll is worse than speculation, where speculation is a theory without evidence, this is a figure with doctored evidence used to mislead people.

This poll is FAR from perfect, but it DOES indicate that there's a lot of people wanting a SFL. A lot of people feeling that the balance between solo play and party trading is seriously screw. An indication that something needs to be done.

But is a SFL the answer? I don't think so.

I still like the check-box option. You have the choice to check "self found player" at character creation - in any league - making you unable to trade or pick up anything not allocated to you. In return for not being able to trade (as we all know is the easies way bar far to obtain gear), you get a slight increase in drop rates.

This way, self found players have their own "ranking", and self found play will be - no matter how much they increase the drop rates - harder than to trade.

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As long as you never, ever, ever use this poll as any type of "statistical evidence" of what the "community wants" then, sure it's fine, basically the happy meal toy of polls, a shiny trinket that they can wave around. But, actually something that carries zero weight.

This poll is worse than speculation, where speculation is a theory without evidence, this is a figure with doctored evidence used to mislead people.

It is statistical evidence whether you like it or not. There is absolutely no evidence that the majority of people does NOT want a SFL. Especially considering most players are casual players, low level, do not trade and do not map. What you are saying is like that God exists, even though there is absolutely not evidence to assume so. If you don't like it feel free to come up with better evidence.

Children want candy for breakfast. Adults know not to give it to them because it would be harmful to them. Increased drop rates are like that. They're harmful. The reason you want increased drop rates is so that you can get items you value. The reason you value them is that they're hard to get. See the feedback loop? You'll always want increased drop rates, because you'll always value items you can't get.

Make it so that a solo player can get top of the line gear, and you have to design your game based on the premise that everyone has this gear. Then nothing feels rewarding.

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DogFaceNoSpace wrote:

It is statistical evidence whether you like it or not.

No it isn't. The poll isn't even close to being statistically relevant, for various reasons. It's just an indicator that some people would like to try a SFL, and that's okay.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Children want candy for breakfast. Adults know not to give it to them because it would be harmful to them. Increased drop rates are like that.

1. We can see how "harmful" they are on ambush league.
2. No. In your comparison the real candy is trading. Not drop rates.

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Xavderion wrote:

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DogFaceNoSpace wrote:

It is statistical evidence whether you like it or not.

No it isn't. The poll isn't even close to being statistically relevant, for various reasons. It's just an indicator that some people would like to try a SFL, and that's okay.

It is statistically relevant for many reasons. Do you think when the poll the support in the presidential elections they do it any different? No. Exactly. Cheers.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Children want candy for breakfast. Adults know not to give it to them because it would be harmful to them. Increased drop rates are like that. They're harmful. The reason you want increased drop rates is so that you can get items you value. The reason you value them is that they're hard to get. See the feedback loop? You'll always want increased drop rates, because you'll always value items you can't get.

Make it so that a solo player can get top of the line gear, and you have to design your game based on the premise that everyone has this gear. Then nothing feels rewarding.

If increasing the drop rates is harmful then so is trading considering that trading is substantially more powerful than increasing the drop rates a little bit.

Your analysis above fails because people don't just want "more" like a child wanting more candy. They want more after having something else removed so your not really getting more your just getting the same thing in a different form.

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Xavderion wrote:

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DogFaceNoSpace wrote:

It is statistical evidence whether you like it or not.

No it isn't. The poll isn't even close to being statistically relevant, for various reasons. It's just an indicator that some people would like to try a SFL, and that's okay.

It is statistically relevant for many reasons. Do you think when the poll the support in the presidential elections they do it any different? No. Exactly. Cheers.

Don't try arguing about it. This could be an in game poll with over ten thousand votes and they would still complain and try to poke holes in it.