Predict the next batch of ''Nerfs'' in 1.1

Interesting, so do you dual wield these or somethin'? Would it stack for 180% spell power? I am not familiar with Dual Wielding block buffing through passives. [ahh nevermind, gonna check out that thread]

thanks!

Lol at people crying for
it not Op
very effective with incinerate but not OP
i would even Buff it to consider spellblock too

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tinko92 wrote:

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To build around Aurora you need to invest so many points on block and armor nodes to make it viable , and if you do that you end up with much less dps than other builds. Tank build all the way. And more than that , to make it viable you need to spend around 50-100 ex!!

Yeah, and other block-tanks don't need to invest many nodes on block and armour?

Sure you'll end up with much less DPS, but you'll also end up with crap DPS with any other tank build without Aegis, but, what one gets with Aegis is 5 times greater survivability, "afk" ability and overall much better safety than with any other shield (for melee players).

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Block work properly and spell block too. There is no need to ask for nerf on block chance/cap/nodes. They just need to add more spellblock chance on the passive tree

Block is decent overall, not even close to OP when it comes to PvM.

It's OP only with Aegis, which means...

More spell block nodes, so you can ditch Stone of Lazhwar? :P

No its not OP only with Aegis.

Have you ever tryed crit block with tempest shield and AA? Tempest shield has 6% crit chance , to get even 25% critcal on tempest shield doesnt require that much of crit nods/gear.

Yeah thats right shock on block. You do damage on block and you get a 30% more damage when you shock. Link add light dmg quality for some extra chance to shock on block combine it with AA and there it is , your 1 ex afk build and can be done with ANY shield.

I have owned a 93 lvl friend with 12k es in pvp while i was 85lvl with 3,5k life.

(Now lets make a thread and ask for nerfs on Tempest Shield and AA!!)

But to accomplish that you need 3 items which are best in slot for block builds. Lazhwar , Rainbowstrides , Rathpith.

When i am saying to add more spellblock on the passive tree , i mean , putting spellblock on the tree you can make other viable builds without using Rainbowstride + Lazhwar in order to maximize your spellblock. Where is the item customization when we have best in slot gear?

Can you find any reasonable argument for an acro/phase acro block build to use Lazhwar and Rainbow? Because i cant.

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But, changing drop rate on Aegis shouldn't be the solution at all, it's the best shield for melee players by far in the whole game.

If GGG decides not to nerf Aegis, it would "require" changing other shields and monster damage somehow.

If they nerf the drop rate the shield will become a rare drop and the price will finally rise as it should be long time ago. Aurora is build enabler and feels endgame like shavronnes like kaoms. Everyone wants to be OP and have better survivabilty in order to xp/farm. Players will forced to play with other shields and farm (grind!!) until they can touch their goal (end game) and be powerfull.

I want to buy kaoms with 10 ex too .. why should i pay 35? Rhetorical question.

Even if they nerf the block chance , even if they nerf the percentage of es regen on block the shield would remain the same. "ES on block" thats the phylosophy of that shield. They can nerf it but they cant change the phylosophy of that item. I can respec some dps nodes or life nods and get more armor or block. Thats not a problem.

You ask for unreasonable nerfs while the problem isnt Aurora. In the end all you understood from what i am saying is :

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Sexcalibure wrote:

Lol at people crying for

it not Op
very effective with incinerate but not OP
i would even Buff it to consider spellblock too

You missed my point Sexcal. I wasn't saying Cybil's needed a nerf. I was saying that people's reasoning of "expensive items are clearly OP" is pretty damned stupid (started by the chucklefuck saying that Voltaxic needed nerfed). What I was getting at was that there are many "seemingly useless" uniques that have very strong synergy with certain skills and passives that cost next to nothing.

Hell, Pillar of the Caged God builds can be outright godlike if done properly, and that weapon can be used with damn near any melee weapon skill in the game. It also costs: 1 chaos, obviously excluding 5-6L cost increase.

It also works the other way round. I've suggested Crest of Perandus to many people because it's way better than their current shield but I often get a response like "I don't want to use a lowlevel unique on my endgame char".

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Ypokrator wrote:

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No its not OP only with Aegis.

When i am saying to add more spellblock on the passive tree , i mean , putting spellblock on the tree you can make other viable builds without using Rainbowstride + Lazhwar in order to maximize your spellblock. Where is the item customization when we have best in slot gear?

Can you find any reasonable argument for an acro/phase acro block build to use Lazhwar and Rainbow? Because i cant.

If they nerf the drop rate the shield will become a rare drop and the price will finally rise as it should be long time ago. Aurora is build enabler and feels endgame like shavronnes like kaoms. Everyone wants to be OP and have better survivabilty in order to xp/farm. Players will forced to play with other shields and farm (grind!!) until they can touch their goal (end game) and be powerfull.

I want to buy kaoms with 10 ex too .. why should i pay 35? Rhetorical question.

Even if they nerf the block chance , even if they nerf the percentage of es regen on block the shield would remain the same. "ES on block" thats the phylosophy of that shield. They can nerf it but they cant change the phylosophy of that item. I can respec some dps nodes or life nods and get more armor or block. Thats not a problem.

You ask for unreasonable nerfs while the problem isnt Aurora. In the end all you understood from what i am saying is :

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"More spell block nodes, so you can ditch Stone of Lazhwar?"

As expected, you've completely ignored the point of my post.


More spell block nodes on tree? Why do you think GGG wants block builds to easily have maxed out spell block along the regular block?

It's possible now, but it takes it's toll, as it should.

I don't care about anything else other than AA here (hence why I've ignored your Tempest Shield example).

Like I've said, drop rate is not a solution for an OP item, I've delivered arguments to support that, which you've ignored.

And comparing Kaoms to Aegis, just laugh... why? Since when does Kaoms provide almost-immortality? At that scale, compared to the other chests as comparing AA to the other shield.

And I'm repeating myself again, block without AA isn't OP, at least not in PvM.

Might be the solution which Caessa pointed out, even if you regenerate ES on block, it shouldn't be this amount to make any cookie-investment a great tank, because that same investment with other shields would grant you absolutely nothing compared to what Aegis gives.

Unreasonable nerfs? Right, come back without your subjectivity, no point discussing further here, it's like talking to a wall, because of course you have to defend your build and you don't want to be "not-OP" like any other shield user.

Take a closer look at my last post, think about it a bit.

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james2w wrote:

instead of nerfing everything just because its popular, and ruining everyone's builds and wasting there time building that character and causing another big rage riot

why not buff other items and skills how stupid do you have to be to realise that buffing other stuff is better.


if they nerf bor im going to be pissed its taken me ages to farm for my bor and my other items
I have finally got a character that doesn't suck and can handle higher maps
btw im a desnch cyclone

Why would you be pissed when you would have a LEGACY BoR.

Block is OP,among other builds that are OP :P.I have quit the game,but my former shadow,at the end, had 8KES,40% block,costant granites and 180K AoE DPS with flicker,which basically meant that with just holding down right click,due to teleport and auto target,nothing would ever survive solo.The only thing that could kill me was desync and palace dominus(solo,in parties it was another situation).
On the other hand i also had a 89 templar,with almost 12K ES,70% block(non aegis),and around 800 ES regen per second.His DPS was crap,and he was painfully bored to play,but the thing is that except some tough bosses,he was IMPOSSIBLE to die.That essentially means that builds like that are far too OP for hardcore leagues,while in softcore leagues u have options.
Now to the point,my issue is not so much the opness of block,but the fact that we have 3 mechanics that work the same way(avoid all damage):block,evasion,dodge,with the only difference being that evasion is not completely random,and with the fact that block can be stack by ANY build in the game(doesnt matter if he is evasion-armour or ES).IMHO the -avoid all damage- situation,should be a privilege of only evasion builds.
So i would like block,to instead of making you avoid all damage,to make it instead to receive 50% of the damage,while RAISING the block cap to 90%,AND giving alot more spell block nodes,to avoid the stupid no brain combinations of uniques.In addition to that,i would like to see the removal of dodge overall,and still keeping spell dodge,which would scale up to 50%,but with complete removal of armour/es,and with alot of skill points usage(around 10).My 2 cents

Haahah oh man...

I havent ignored anything.

1)You said by yourself you ignored my Tempest Shield example. And when i am saying AA its not Aegis Aurora its Arctic Armor for your information. You cant see anything else besides Aurora.

2)You also ignored the block acro/phase acro i mentioned too. How they will protect themselves from spell damage? By 30% spell dodge? good luck with that beating Dominus in Mercilles , NOT EVEN in a map.

3)I have not ignored your " delivered arguments " , just brought mine and guess what? you ignored those too.

4)Yes i compare Kaoms with Aurora. Go play Dominus in Palace with Aurora and 5k-6k hp. And sit there and survive The Touch of God. You know what will happent? 1 block 2 block 1 shotted. Simple as that. Say hello to immortality! Now go with kaoms and 9k-10k life you WILL survive all Touch of Gods he can cast. Dominus will go so mad that he will try to suicide instead of trying killing you.

You think you talking to a wall. What am i suppose to think about you...

There are so many OP builds in game that can beat Aurora in a second.

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And I'm repeating myself again, block without AA isn't OP, at least not in PvM.

And i will repeat myself once more. There are so many block builds that are OP WITHOUT Aurora , but they need the best in slot items. Lazhwar , Rainbow , Rathpith.

Do you know SixPacks? He is one of our early 100 lvl players we have. Guess what , he is melee attack block build and he doesnt used Aurora. He just had the brilliant mind to think a build that is viable and doesnt need Aurora. Mind Blowing hah?? I will suggest him to send a CV to NASA...

I know your reply already "Boo hoo hoo.. Aegis needs nerf" you cant see ANYTHING else besides Aurora. Glad to see your videos in your thread. You are legacy Kaoms user. Double Crema -23 max resist with 2 Distilate flasks? thats 300 life regen per sec from Distilate flasks .. you didnt even used regular flasks and YOU talk about Auroras immortality. FML..

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Poutsos wrote:

So i would like block,to instead of making you avoid all damage,to make it instead to receive 50% of the damage,while RAISING the block cap to 90%,AND giving alot more spell block nodes,to avoid the stupid no brain combinations of uniques.

Amen