Predict the next batch of ''Nerfs'' in 1.1

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Ypokrator wrote:

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Haahah oh man...

I havent ignored anything.

1)You said by yourself you ignored my Tempest Shield example. And when i am saying AA its not Aegis Aurora its Arctic Armor for your information. You cant see anything else besides Aurora.

2)You also ignored the block acro/phase acro i mentioned too. How they will protect themselves from spell damage? By 30% spell dodge? good luck with that beating Dominus in Mercilles , NOT EVEN in a map.

3)I have not ignored your " delivered arguments " , just brought mine and guess what? you ignored those too.

4)Yes i compare Kaoms with Aurora. Go play Dominus in Palace with Aurora and 5k-6k hp. And sit there and survive The Touch of God. You know what will happent? 1 block 2 block 1 shotted. Simple as that. Say hello to immortality! Now go with kaoms and 9k-10k life you WILL survive all Touch of Gods he can cast. Dominus will go so mad that he will try to suicide instead of trying killing you.

You think you talking to a wall. What am i suppose to think about you...

There are so many OP builds in game that can beat Aurora in a second.

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And I'm repeating myself again, block without AA isn't OP, at least not in PvM.

And i will repeat myself once more. There are so many block builds that are OP WITHOUT Aurora , but they need the best in slot items. Lazhwar , Rainbow , Rathpith.

Do you know SixPacks? He is one of our early 100 lvl players we have. Guess what , he is melee attack block build and he doesnt used Aurora. He just had the brilliant mind to think a build that is viable and doesnt need Aurora. Mind Blowing hah?? I will suggest him to send a CV to NASA...

I know your reply already "Boo hoo hoo.. Aegis needs nerf" you cant see ANYTHING else besides Aurora. Glad to see your videos in your thread. You are legacy Kaoms user. Double Crema -23 max resist with 2 Distilate flasks? thats 300 life regen per sec from Distilate flasks .. you didnt even used regular flasks and YOU talk about Auroras immortality. FML..

Didn't ignored? Here's a reminder, the whole point of the Aegis discussion.

"Yeah, and other block-tanks don't need to invest many nodes on block and armour?

Sure you'll end up with much less DPS, but you'll also end up with crap DPS with any other tank build without Aegis, but, what one gets with Aegis is 5 times greater survivability, "afk" ability and overall much better safety than with any other shield (for melee players)."

Which, you have ignored.

I don't care about Tempest Shield, I haven't seen any video or heard anything about it to prove that it's OP.
And I won't even ask you for videos now, because it's not the subject.

And yes, I'll keep ignoring your examples for the same reason.


Oh I see, 2 map bosses are the thing to measure ones survivability?
And first of all, I wrote "almost immortal", so without Kaoms, Aegis builds are only fucked up with heavy hits like Dominus's ToG and Vaal's smash, but guess what? So are the other shield builds. But any other shield provides miserable survivability compared to the Aegis, focus on this, please.


Even if there are so many OP builds that can beat Aegis in a second (which I haven't seen so far, not even one), that's not the point, we're talking about an item, not a build.


Mind blowing? No, it's again, not the point, I'm not talking about viable builds, focus for once and stop with the ridiculous examples.

Divination wasn't used to get the life regen, it's for the max resistance, please, don't provide anymore examples, just don't...

The point is, what I've already said, Aegis is best in slot by far when it's about survivability.

cybils paw isnt nearly as good as ppl think it is. sure in easy maps u can use it instead of leech , but if u approacj 74 + maps with hard maps and bosses u need leecg gem anyway and the loh isnt really noticable at that point. and i did loooooooooooots of testing with incinerate.

i prefer

more dps and when leech equipped the chaos res / hp give more survivability then the little lgoh.
the only exception is prbly the jungle valley boss because he has like 100 adds.

but easy enough without cybils anyway.

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tinko92 wrote:

Didn't ignored? Here's a reminder, the whole point of the Aegis discussion.

"Yeah, and other block-tanks don't need to invest many nodes on block and armour?

Sure you'll end up with much less DPS, but you'll also end up with crap DPS with any other tank build without Aegis, but, what one gets with Aegis is 5 times greater survivability, "afk" ability and overall much better safety than with any other shield (for melee players)."

Which, you have ignored.

I don't care about Tempest Shield, I haven't seen any video or heard anything about it to prove that it's OP.
And I won't even ask you for videos now, because it's not the subject.

And yes, I'll keep ignoring your examples for the same reason.

I didnt ignored anything i brought you viable examples that you keep ignoring them cause your brain cant process to see the actual truth of other afk builds without Aurora. THEY DO EXIST!!

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Oh I see, 2 map bosses are the thing to measure ones survivability?

If double crema boss with minus max isnt a measure to test your survivabilty then what is it?? Bricks from Tetris?? OH MY GOD!! what the fuck am i reading??

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Even if there are so many OP builds that can beat Aegis in a second (which I haven't seen so far, not even one), that's not the point, we're talking about an item, not a build.

Yes there are and you havent seen them cause you think like everything in game is one Aurora shield. Yes we talking about an item which is build enabler. I dont know if you understand something about this game. In this game you chose one item and you build around it to make it viable. Obviously we playing a different game.

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Mind blowing? No, it's again, not the point, I'm not talking about viable builds, focus for once and stop with the ridiculous examples.

Seriously NO comment..

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Divination wasn't used to get the life regen, it's for the max resistance, please, don't provide anymore examples, just don't...

Ofc you dont used Distillate for life regen that was my point. You just beat Double crema with minus max WITHOUT life pots!!! Ask one Aurora user facetank them with 65% spell block not 75% as you had , with around 500-600 es , around 10k armor and no life pots. He will die in about 3 seconds. Again , you need to build around Aurora to make it viable.

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And first of all, I wrote "almost immortal", so without Kaoms, Aegis builds are only fucked up with heavy hits like Dominus's ToG and Vaal's smash, but guess what? So are the other shield builds. But any other shield provides miserable survivability compared to the Aegis, focus on this, please.

I know players with Lioneyes Remorse block builds AND Kaoms who can survive everything!! I know CI players with thorium shields block builds with over 11k ES who can survive everything!! Take one Aurora user WITHOUT Kaoms or 11k es and put them to survive Vaals Smash or The Touch of God.

But these examples are ridiculous so dont bother to think and reply. I know Aurora is OP.

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The point is, what I've already said, Aegis is best in slot by far when it's about survivability.

No its not. You just dont know how to build a block character. Just buy Lazhwar and Rainbowstrides and max your block chance.

But seriously now and out of irony. Aurora is OP because you afraid to use/try something different. I dont care if they nerf Aurora to the ground i know my ways to survive , its just shame to nerf something because masses , including you , are to cool to think.

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Ypokrator wrote:

I didnt ignored anything i brought you viable examples that you keep ignoring them cause your brain cant process to see the actual truth of other afk builds without Aurora. THEY DO EXIST!!

I've just pointed out that you have, what's wrong with you? Bringing up examples of other builds has nothing to do with a subject of this discussion, an item called Aegis Aurora.

I haven't said they don't exist, but I haven't seen one yet, and in the end, it's irrelevant.

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If double crema boss with minus max isnt a measure to test your survivabilty then what is it?? Bricks from Tetris?? OH MY GOD!! what the fuck am i reading??

My gear is worth 300+ exalts, and the overall investment is far greater than using Aegis.

Aegis build of 20-30 ex can do that, sure, he might not facetank the whole fight, but that's irrelevant, it's possible, while with any other shield, it's far from possible, it's a fantasy. Please, try to read with comprehension, for once.

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Yes there are and you havent seen them cause you think like everything in game is one Aurora shield. Yes we talking about an item which is build enabler. I dont know if you understand something about this game. In this game you chose one item and you build around it to make it viable. Obviously we playing a different game.

Alright, I see we won't get anywhere like this... please, show me a build that has the survivability of Aegis build with the same amount of currency invested.

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Mind blowing? No, it's again, not the point, I'm not talking about viable builds, focus for once and stop with the ridiculous examples.

Seriously NO comment..

Now we're good, no more build examples, we can focus on that one item now?

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Ofc you dont used Distillate for life regen that was my point. You just beat Double crema with minus max WITHOUT life pots!!! Ask one Aurora user facetank them with 65% spell block not 75% as you had , with around 500-600 es , around 10k armor and no life pots. He will die in about 3 seconds. Again , you need to build around Aurora to make it viable.

The answer lies here:

"My gear is worth 300+ exalts, and the overall investment is far greater than using Aegis.

Aegis build of 20-30 ex can do that, sure, he might not facetank the whole fight, but that's irrelevant, it's possible, while with any other shield, it's far from possible, it's a fantasy."

Build around Aegis? Are you kidding me? Stacking block and armour isn't building around. Which again leads to something I've already said:

"Yeah, and other block-tanks don't need to invest many nodes on block and armour?

Sure you'll end up with much less DPS, but you'll also end up with crap DPS with any other tank build without Aegis, but, what one gets with Aegis is 5 times greater survivability, "afk" ability and overall much better safety than with any other shield (for melee players)."

(this is actually the second time I've repeated the same thing)

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I know players with Lioneyes Remorse block builds AND Kaoms who can survive everything!! I know CI players with thorium shields block builds with over 11k ES who can survive everything!! Take one Aurora user WITHOUT Kaoms or 11k es and put them to survive Vaals Smash or The Touch of God.

But these examples are ridiculous so dont bother to think and reply. I know Aurora is OP.

I'll stop you right there, no they can't. If you wish to prove that I'm wrong, go ahead.
They can survive most things, but overall Lioneye's Remorse is absolute shit compared to Aegis.
Even with legacy Kaom's, Lioneye users have worse survivability than BoR + Aegis.

And you're again providing some examples here, even with the insane amount of cost, they're worse compared to an Aegis user who invests a lot less.

Aaaaaaaaaaand again the 2 bosses determine the survivability of a character, which is the 0.000001% of the content, and I'll just repeat myself again:

"And first of all, I wrote "almost immortal", so without Kaoms, Aegis builds are only fucked up with heavy hits like Dominus's ToG and Vaal's smash, but guess what? So are the other shield builds. But any other shield provides miserable survivability compared to the Aegis"

So, take one non-Aegis user without Kaoms or "path of life nodes" build, they have the same chance of surviving, in that precise situation.

Oh and, Vaal's smash and Dominus's ToG is highly survivable with 6k life/ES pool, if they don't have any damage mod.

I hope you're done with those 2 bosses.

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No its not. You just dont know how to build a block character. Just buy Lazhwar and Rainbowstrides and max your block chance.

But seriously now and out of irony. Aurora is OP because you afraid to use/try something different. I dont care if they nerf Aurora to the ground i know my ways to survive , its just shame to nerf something because masses , including you , are to cool to think.

Oh good, a nice argument "No its not".

Focus now, really focus:

Any block character will have better survivability with Aegis than any other shield (well, except maybe evasion characters which need high evasion on shields, but those are 0.0001% of the block builds, for a reason).

And you know why? Because when you block with any other shield, you just block, but when you block with Aegis, you gain ES.

More repeats:
"Might be the solution which Caessa pointed out, even if you regenerate ES on block, it shouldn't be this amount"

I am using something different, how am I afraid? Cut the patronizing crap and start providing arguments and proofs.

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Since a good part of this post is actually copy/paste form previous posts, it makes no sense to continue this...

So much post about an item that obvioulsy needs a nerf(while armor in general needs a buff). Let's compare it with the only unique item which has the same key feature aka The Anvil, amount of Life recovered ? 30 to 40. Amount of ES recovered with 5k armor which is easily reachable for Aegis users? 200.

Considering the difference between life and es, chaos damage which goes through for non CI , i would adjust the recovered amount of Aurora to a flat 70 to 90 ES per Block, no more(said 1% of armor in an other thread but if armor is rightly buffed the problem would remain). It would not be OP anymore but would remain a very interesting Shield.

I cant force all my friends to make videos from their boss fights just for you. Based on the fact that you havent seen something like that doesnt mean that does not exist or cant be happent. You cant prove me wrong cause i know what i am seeing every day. You cant prove my eyes wrong.

Your brain obviously is messed up and we cant communicate. You fighting so hard to prove yourself that you are right by ignoring my facts and my examples. You read with purpose to reply and not to think. I am bringing examples of builds cause the item by itself does nothing. You need to build around it! I dont know how the fuck i can make you understand that.

Every build that has over 9k life/es is immortal and can survive big hits like Vaal Smash etc. even if they use Wheel of the Stormsail. And if you survive big hits like that then what will stop you to clear the 99.999999% of the content with any shield! Blue mobs and rares? Are you serious?

Instead of me making you videos to open your eyes go buy with 30 ex one Aurora and with 20 ex left you will probably end up with a 6L chest with 800-1000 armor and 150-200 es at best. The roll a double crema minus max and post your video. You know just for the laughs of OP Aurora.

I have something better , with your godly gear wear a Lioneyes Remorse and do the same. That can be happent with no cost and can be done right now. And post the video to have some laughs and see what happent.

Aegis isn't broken, block is broken. Aegis just happens to benefit a lot from how broken block is.

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Kiluvaras wrote:

CoC - the new sensation

AND about damn time.

Introduce a skill that totally and completely ignores the mechanics you had set up allowing everyone with a CoC, OR ANY OTHER CAST-ON GEM, to ignore mana and cast time.

serious, serious fail.

i predict they will never be able to nerf it. have you looked at the forums ? there are now so many builds completely dependent on the utterly broken mechanics that 1/2 the players would quit if they "nerfed" it properly.

of course, it wouldn't actually be a nerf, it would be having the gems operating as they should and consistent with the rules already in play.

oh yes- CoD was sooooo out-of-balance it got fixed immediately, but Cast on Crit ? nothing to see here, move along...

oh wait, i keep forgetting, it _was_ nerfed - 10 millisecond cool down timer. *sigh*

Change Chance to Block on Shields to Block Rating, remove the cap, and give it diminishing returns similar to Evasion Rating. And bump the %'s from the Passives, similar to the Armor/Eva Nodes.

This even opens up the possibility of "Block Rating" on gear/Uniques.

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Gallowmere1984 wrote:

Pretty much. As a counterpoint:
One of the most OP items in the game, if used with the right skills and passives:

Cost: 1 chaos

Fun item when combined with Firestorm.