Really?? This is a problem....

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adghar wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

Care to elaborate? Why is this a problem?

Because with current drop rates, the only way to obtain 50 exalts in less than 5 years of play for a very lucky player is to trade and not grind.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure if there is a method out there to reward people who grind more than they trade, because trading intrinsically tends to maximize economic efficiency.

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Baldrick wrote:

There are people with that many exalted on Domination!! :O

wow

I just cleared the 6ex-ish mark a week or so ago, and it was only because I have gotten REALLY lucky on exalt drops. 3 so far.

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grind = items, items = trade, trade = exalts, so in the end grinding = exalts

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Peace_Frog wrote:

In all my years of playing D2 Ladder, I found one Pul Rune on my own. My bots found 4 (el oh el), and I traded for the rest. Self-found wasn't viable in D2 if you're looking for full best-in-slot gear across all your characters, just as it isn't viable in PoE. But here's the secret: you don't need best-in-slot gear to succeed in this game. But you do need a bit of skill, which is something that gets forgotten more and more in this generation of gamers. People that are used to auto-saves and checkpoints every 25 seconds really get annoying when they try playing a real game, especially when they don't want to admit they suck at it after fifteen levels.

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Malone wrote:

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grind = items, items = trade, trade = exalts, so in the end grinding = exalts

massive botting = more exalts = inflated price
valuable unique map only = less drop = may result to nothing to trade / inflated price

=> legit players out of the game economy.

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Peace_Frog wrote:

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CassCE wrote:

Doesn't much matter. You could reliably farm torches and sell them for high runes. I've yet to find an equivalent here. I was able to use those proceeds to equip and try out various builds on various alts. Here? GL with that, it's not happening. There's nothing but extreme luck or trading in a poorly implemented system once you reach "end-game" in PoE, which means there's no consistent path to advancement that involves actually playing the game. Dealing with the less that brilliant populace of this game does not qualify as playing the game.

You can't reliably farm blue items and sell the shards/orbs of alteration to vendors and ultimately get Orbs of Alchemy? Run a full clear of a lvl 59 zone with about 15% IIR, sell all the blues and tell me currency is hard to come by.

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CassCE wrote:

How did we get from farming high runes to farming El runes?

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TylerRand wrote:

The solution would be a trading independent balancing scheme that would incentivise playing much more and make trading ABSOLUTELY optional. It might also solve the problem of crafting being such a pain in the ass and we could all have more orbs to waste.

But this game is centered around the economy and not the other way around.

The game should be balanced as if trading was not possible and let the economy adapt to it. If it breaks, fuck it at least you'll have a nice game with a broken economy instead of a nice economy in a fucked up game.