General Discussion - Is begging for items against any rules? - Forum

" Boem wrote: " You are terribly confused. Beggars deserve no respect, neither sympathy, nothing. A normal man must have dignity, it's the only valuable thing that couldn't be get away from you Who are you to say a beggar has no dignity ore honor? You judge, that is all. When an apple falls of a tree, for who is this apple? Is the farmer, one who's land the apple tree is living the owner of this apple? Did his presence make the apple drop? Did the water falling from the sky's ore from the well to grow this apple appear on his command? Did he do anything to create this apple but call the land he lives on, his? You are going from the assumption that you have anything of real value to offer the beggar. When you give him food, what braincell in your mind convinces you it is your food to give away? Food is granted by nature to any who seek it. Nature has compassion and does not judge anybody. An apple will appear for a murderer as for a saint. There is no saint and there is no murderer. The only thing concerned with status and perception is the ego. " Thus endeth the lesson. When you seek, you have already lost. " OPs begging is far more similar to the one begging for another heroine shot (IE Something YOU WANT, NOT NEED), than Lao Tzu. I agree with this, it is just a game and should be treated that way, however in the same light, why is he not getting anything if it is "just" a game? If he is deluded by the perception of the community, is it his fault he "thinks" he "needs" X item? Also i was more compelled to respond because of the nature of some of the responses of people towards beggars in general. I think they jump into darkness to discover where the light is, while most people happily live there lives with the light's off. I think I had an acid trip once about 20 years ago where you were trying to explain to me how Nietzche actually did make sense, and that I was all wrong in thinking that all of it was terribly circular. The truth about beggars is that as often as not, they choose to work me over to get 'stuff' over working themselves. The whole strategy is almost entirely reliant on me 'feeling guilty' for having things that they do not. Living in a suburb of a large city for most of my life made me soft, until I moved to the city. That's when I learned the true beast that is 'beggar". I wrote out a little story here about true events that I erased because even considering the adult type speech rules, I just could not bring myself to giving all of you the mental image. Let's just say that I learned that begging is often just a scam. By 'often', I mean a lot more than you would think. I always looked forward to donating to the tuba player who haunted our city center for so many years...... You can ALWAYS earn your way, with very very few notable exceptions. That is very true in life, and ALWAYS true in PoE.	Posted by Laellu#4902 on Sep 10, 2013, 9:37:05 AM Quote this Post
" johnKeys wrote: 1) some of the people here repeatedly missed my point, despite it being TL;DRed to them with a tea-spoon in latest posts. I'll try to say it differently: 2) if someone goes on Global Chat asking for a basic skill gem, some starter gear, a few Chromatic Orbs for an urgent fix, a waypoint you have, a boss kill you can pretty much 1-shot... 3) oh and any of the above examples are indeed BEGGING. so, is it "OK" to beg? yes it is. 1) And again, johnKeys, you're openly insulting other, but want "a better community". ILLOGICAL And no, it's not "trolling" from you, it's INSULTING in plain text. So start this "better community" from yourself 2) If someone ASKING - i'll give it to him. Many times i gave starter gems (from other char-quests; like leap slam, sweep, spark, fire trap, etc. Cause i can understand "i don't want to make 4-level char to get gem from quest". It's okay with me - if guy wants to be lazy - it's up to him, karma will get to him :D ) I killed bosses, gave waypoints, it's normal and OK. But BEGGING (repeatedly asking in irritating manner) for someone's other (even if they have 10 of them - that's none of your business btw) Rainbowstrides\Maligaro's Virtuosity\ or even Shavronne's for free - is not okay. And it surely will end in "insulting\laughing\trolling", rather than help. It's obvious. 3) Now do you see difference between ASKING (gentle) and BEGGING (DEMANDING)? If not - stop insulting other people because of your inability to see such simple things. Remember, suffering is convenient. That is why many people prefer it. Happiness requires effort.	Posted by HarukaTeno#6546 on Sep 10, 2013, 9:51:02 AM Quote this Post
" Boem wrote: Spoiler " POE Items are granted by nature(or RNG) to any who seek it. POE does not judge anybody. Fusings will appear for a murderer as for a saint. There is no saint and there is no murderer. Cool analogy xD, much appreciated. And i agree with it, like i mentioned earlier, i felt compelled to respond to the general view of beggars some people have on these forums, not neceserely the begging the op describes. " Once the farmer harvests the apple, and it is in his possession, it becomes his. I think you also realize, this is not the case. " Be content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you. If you realize what this means, you will also realize the farmer cannot harvest the apple. It is an interesting discussion that we are having, and one that I enjoy. The people who you think judge beggars, have mostly specified they mean those who beg for things they do not need, a very fine distinction. None seem against those who beg for sustenance or shelter. Only those who beg for things they do not need. I think it is a position Lao Tzu would support. -He who knows that enough is enough will always have enough. -He who is contented is rich. Last edited by rebo4000#1406 on Sep 10, 2013, 10:02:12 AM	Posted by rebo4000#1406 on Sep 10, 2013, 10:01:43 AM Quote this Post
@HarukaTeno, please read more than one post I made here, including my reply to you on page 6. as for your current post: 1) I should have replaced "repeatedly" with "deliberately", because that's exactly what they did. yes it's a form of trolling, and yes that was an insult because it made me angry. always does. 2) I don't believe in Karma, nor do I think a person who isn't willing/able to farm endlessly for a fraction of a chance to get something remotely worthwhile - is "lazy". faulty game design isn't the player's fault. some players know how to get around it, but you can't expect a player to do it. 3) Begging isn't "demanding". it is asking. no one I've met in 9 months of playing this game ever demanded stuff from other people. it's always a request, and yes they tend to repeat it many times which can be annoying, but it isn't to me. 4) why is asking for a Shavronne's "not okay"? because of it's "value"? I don't believe in "value". this is a game, and some people seem to fail to realise that simple fact. chances are, you are more likely to get ignored if asking for a Shav, than asking for some trivial gem or starter gear - and it's perfectly fine. what isn't fine, is getting insulted if you do. did the guy with the 10 Shavronnes "earn" a "right" to insult you? no. he sure as hell didn't. no one has that right. Alva: I'm sweating like a hog in heat Shadow: That was fun	Posted by johnKeys#6083 on Sep 10, 2013, 10:09:17 AM Quote this Post
Wow, it has gotten very existential up in here... For the record I prefer to put my arm up a heroine (but only when wearing facebreakers) apologies, I shall see myself out	Posted by rockdog2161#6565 on Sep 10, 2013, 10:10:22 AM Quote this Post
For the record, begging for things in a video game is not The Way. The Way is to be empty, to sustain yourself in a balanced way, taking only that which you need to survive. To be devoid of desire. To beg for things in a video game is to have desire, which is not The Way. A comprehensive, easy on the eyes loot filter: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1245785 Need a chill group exiles to hang with? Join us: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1251403	Posted by Antnee#4468 on Sep 10, 2013, 10:55:04 AM Quote this Post
This thread has become a really far-out-there, pseudo-philosophical forum about the ethics of begging lol. Really getting off topic here guys/girls (at least the majority of posts recently have been). I think it's safe to lock this thread at this point. The other, on-topic posters have already made their points more than once. Current IGN: TheBearerOfLight Gizoogle Chris: "Da State of Exile muthafuckas axed mah crazy ass ta post a reminder dat they podcast is dis weekend, as usual. It aint nuthin but tha nick nack patty wack, I still gots tha bigger sack."	Posted by BoltThrower87#3044 on Sep 10, 2013, 11:30:04 AM Quote this Post
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Is begging for items against any rules? No. Spoiler thought i would put this thread back on track since i think i derailed it. Will people's perception of you change when you do? Yes. Some will like u for it, some will dislike u for it. " The Way is to be empty, to sustain yourself in a balanced way, taking only that which you need to survive. To be devoid of desire. I lolled with that, thx. Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes Last edited by Boem#2861 on Sep 10, 2013, 12:01:38 PM	Posted by Boem#2861 on Sep 10, 2013, 11:59:20 AM On Probation Quote this Post
" " The Way is to be empty, to sustain yourself in a balanced way, taking only that which you need to survive. To be devoid of desire. I lolled with that, thx. Why, exactly? A comprehensive, easy on the eyes loot filter: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1245785 Need a chill group exiles to hang with? Join us: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1251403	Posted by Antnee#4468 on Sep 10, 2013, 12:12:32 PM Quote this Post