Is begging for items against any rules?

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Doesn't this mindset totally oppose games like PoE where you kill stuff to become more powerful and get phat loot?

Why would a mindset of enjoying every moment without material attachments oppose a game like PoE?

I play for the fun i have with a char? Do you think lao tzu never killed an animal to eat?(become stronger?)

I could go PK at bandits and still keep my mindset intact. It is just natural for me that i wont do this, but there is no harm in it if i would.

Every human has the right to do as he pleases, and what comes natural to him. It is from denying his natural instinct's that problems arise. However, is there any need to judge somebody else when you are natural and enjoy every moment? I can assure you, any reasons to judge fade away like snow before the sun.

Become smart, enjoy life, and light will be yours. In the presence of light darkness cannot exist, in fact darkness does not exist. When you turn of a light, have you turned on the darkness? You have not, it does not exist. Only light can be turned on, darkness can not.

People who flame/judge a beggar in game, are only insulting there own brains inability to let go of possessions. To somebody like me, this would have no effect, all i would feel for them is love, nothing else.

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Boem wrote:

Beggars deserve respect, they are walking a lifestyle YOU are to afraid to thread upon.

You are terribly confused. Beggars deserve no respect, neither sympathy, nothing. A normal man must have dignity, it's the only valuable thing that couldn't be get away from you. Even being poor, this happens in real life (or in a computer game,as is the case here), better be a man and live your life with honor, than being a trash, begging for a piece of bread or whatever. If you want wealth, work hard for it and you may touch it. Don't expect anyone to serve it to you on a silver plate.
Lifestyle ? It's not lifestyle, it's pathetic existence. Waiting for someone to throw you a piece, like a dog, it's no life. Beggars are parasites that must never be tolerated, but punished.
You have to clear your thoughts, they are ill.
P.S.
A man is excused when begging for work.

I think you are looking at beggars through rose-tinted glasses there Boem or a romanticized way of the beggar lifestyle. Not meant as an insult towards you, I find your viewpoint quite interesting... yet I disagree :)
I find real life beggars as insulting as in-game. Also ignoring the junkies begging for money for their next shot or bottle of booze, but even the ones that chose to do it as a lifestyle, they still expect others to commit their time to work to support their 'free' lifestyle since they cannot do so themselves and they contribute nothing to society, they only leech of others.
I can totally understand the desire to live free and all that, but it shouldn't be by being a burden on others. heck, last year I gave away practically all my belongings for free, quit my job and my home and lived outdoors for 3.5 months raising money for charity. I still long for that complete freedom I got to enjoy, yet I did so by taking out a rather large loan, which I need to pay back now, not by relying on other peoples generosity. granted, one of the best parts of my trip was experiencing the kindness of complete strangers offering me a place to crash or food, yet I NEVER asked or begged for anything!
In real life just as in PoE I happily give stuff away for free, but never a single pence to a beggar, the whole idea of begging just infuriates me :)

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Boem wrote:

Is begging for items against the rules?

No.

I have respect for beggars btw, they opose a mental notion that is considered the standard for over 1000 years.

Ask yourself, would you prefer to live outside and live of the generosity of other people and follow the flow of live as it is given to you? Ore would you prefer to live in stability and a fake sense of security given to you by the construction of a social construct?

And i am not talking about the beggar begging so he can put another heroine shot in his arm here. I am talking about people like lao tzu.

-itheryel-

OPs begging is far more similar to the one begging for another heroine shot (IE Something YOU WANT, NOT NEED), than Lao Tzu.

The man who said "“The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”

And so it is with POE.

The same man who once said, "Before Enlightenment, I chopped wood and carried Water. After Enlightenment, I chopped wood and carried Water."

It is not so much to ask that OP also chops wood and carries water.

Thus endeth the lesson.

(this excerpt from the sutra "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon/Bhuddism for westerners" is also available on tape from our dear friends over at Crystals&Stuff)

Its the same in real life. Some people give that corner begger a few coins while others hurl an insult at him.

Why should he get it free while I work hard to earn it?

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You are terribly confused. Beggars deserve no respect, neither sympathy, nothing. A normal man must have dignity, it's the only valuable thing that couldn't be get away from you

Who are you to say a beggar has no dignity ore honor? You judge, that is all.

When an apple falls of a tree, for who is this apple? Is the farmer, one who's land the apple tree is living the owner of this apple?
Did his presence make the apple drop? Did the water falling from the sky's ore from the well to grow this apple appear on his command? Did he do anything to create this apple but call the land he lives on, his?

You are going from the assumption that you have anything of real value to offer the beggar.
When you give him food, what braincell in your mind convinces you it is your food to give away?
Food is granted by nature to any who seek it. Nature has compassion and does not judge anybody.
An apple will appear for a murderer as for a saint. There is no saint and there is no murderer.

The only thing concerned with status and perception is the ego.

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Thus endeth the lesson.

When you seek, you have already lost.

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OPs begging is far more similar to the one begging for another heroine shot (IE Something YOU WANT, NOT NEED), than Lao Tzu.

I agree with this, it is just a game and should be treated that way, however in the same light, why is he not getting anything if it is "just" a game? If he is deluded by the perception of the community, is it his fault he "thinks" he "needs" X item?

Also i was more compelled to respond because of the nature of some of the responses of people towards beggars in general. I think they jump into darkness to discover where the light is, while most people happily live there lives with the light's off.

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If you want wealth, work hard for it and you may touch it

If you truthfully consider this to be the truth, i suggest you become a beggar and enjoy real wealth. The whole notion of material wealth is a construct to keep most common people in "check". It is a shackle that keeps even the poorest of people from revolting against the powers in charge. Because it allows everybody to "obtain" this wealth after the promise of effort is put in. I wonder why all them people in india and other poor nations atm, working there asses of 5x as hard as a Ceo in europe are not ridding in a limousine to there Nike shoe factory in the morning?
Aldo i respect your view, it pains me to read it, because it means the next step for humans is many years ahead of my birth.

The whole notion of democracy is build around the notion effort = wealth. While a little bit of logic reasoning and looking around in the world clearly demonstrates this is not the case.

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Boem wrote:

You are going from the assumption that you have anything of real value to offer the beggar.
When you give him food, what braincell in your mind convinces you it is your food to give away?
Food is granted by nature to any who seek it. Nature has compassion and does not judge anybody.
An apple will appear for a murderer as for a saint. There is no saint and there is no murderer.

POE Items are granted by nature(or RNG) to any who seek it. POE does not judge anybody. Fusings will appear for a murderer as for a saint. There is no saint and there is no murderer.

Once the farmer harvests the apple, and it is in his possession, it becomes his.


Perhaps You meant to give this Lao Tzu quote to OP?

Be content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you.

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Who are you to say a beggar has no dignity ore honor?

Dude, don't make me think you are not confused, but stupid.

Begging is the opposite of dignity and honor. Depending on unknown people to throw in your face a dime, or what's left from their lunch is incompatible with above mentioned. They know they are trash and they feel that way.
I'm not going to discuss on such obvious things anymore, better try harder.

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POE Items are granted by nature(or RNG) to any who seek it. POE does not judge anybody. Fusings will appear for a murderer as for a saint. There is no saint and there is no murderer.

Cool analogy xD, much appreciated.

And i agree with it, like i mentioned earlier, i felt compelled to respond to the general view of beggars some people have on these forums, not neceserely the begging the op describes.

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Once the farmer harvests the apple, and it is in his possession, it becomes his.

I think you also realize, this is not the case.

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Be content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you.

If you realize what this means, you will also realize the farmer cannot harvest the apple.

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Dude, don't make me think you are not confused, but stupid.

Begging is the opposite of dignity and honor. Depending on unknown people to throw in your face a dime, or what's left from their lunch is incompatible with above mentioned. They know they are trash and they feel that way.
I'm not going to discuss on such obvious things anymore, better try harder.

I need not try anything, you do it all.