Anarch economy is already even worse than SC economy

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DutchRudder wrote:

High level and even mid level orbs are to rare and the vendor recipes make you feel like you are getting ripped off hard. One divine for a 6 link wtf, there should also be many more recipes for uniques, too many low level uniques go unused, limb split anyone?

Divine is the rarest orb in the game. If they would take my suggestion is removing 1 tier of item affixes for a wider range it would be a much more useful gem. As it stands not many people are too excited to waste 3 or however many gcps for a 1-15% item improvement. Gambling only works well when there's a high reward along with the high cost.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Is limb split the 2h axe with culling? That thing is great. Multistrike + flicker away!!!

In fact, the only unique 2h Axe that doesn't have culling intrinsically is the Blood Reaper.

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Moosifer wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Do you have any proof to back up what you're saying? I'm going to assume not.

That's the other thing. We assume it's happening but rather than taking any blame we assume it's a much larger problem than it is.

It's safe to assume that is someone is paying grossly over the going ratios than it's probably not a real person on the other end. If you sell to them you are perpetuating the thing you are complaining about. I can go downtown and buy a new iphone for $50, it's obviously stolen, if I do it I can't complain about the stealing problems in my community. Regardless of how good of a deal you are getting, if you support the problem, you are the problem.

You have a point, but:
1st: what do you expect? new player comes in, just dropped his first exalt, wants to sell it. He sees 2 guys, one offers 20 alchs, the other offers 200. Which one will he sell it? Not neccesarily because he wants to support rtm, maybe he thinks the 20 alch guy just wants to ripp off someone.

2nd: Let's say ppl don't give in to the pempting offers, and knowingly not sell anything overpriced, what good would that do? rmt bots would get their exalts at 20alch prices, not 200. What's the difference?

Not defending rmt or anything, i just don't think you can blame it on the playerbase. it's human nature you want to get the best ratios for yourself, rmt sites use that against "us"

If someone offers 20 then the next person offers 200 it's a redflag to anyone. It means they are either going to step back and look up the info here or on the reddit or they don't give a shit, take the higher offer.

You might not want to blame the player base but as a group we are the problem. We are giving RMT sites their orb supplies by taking their great ratio offers, we are selling them our orbs for cash and we are buying their orbs. They wouldn't exist if it wasn't for us.

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Moosifer wrote:

If someone offers 20 then the next person offers 200 it's a redflag to anyone. It means they are either going to step back and look up the info here or on the reddit or they don't give a shit, take the higher offer.

If they at all know about rmt. In the first few months i didn't realise they are here as well. I just didn't think of it.

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You might not want to blame the player base but as a group we are the problem. We are giving RMT sites their orb supplies by taking their great ratio offers, we are selling them our orbs for cash and we are buying their orbs. They wouldn't exist if it wasn't for us.

I'd correct myself: i wouldn't blame those players who take their high ratio offers (you can never know for sure), but those who buy their orbs with $. After all, they can have all the exalts in the world, if they can't make money out of it.

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Daxora wrote:

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Moosifer wrote:

If someone offers 20 then the next person offers 200 it's a redflag to anyone. It means they are either going to step back and look up the info here or on the reddit or they don't give a shit, take the higher offer.

If they at all know about rmt. In the first few months i didn't realise they are here as well. I just didn't think of it.

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You might not want to blame the player base but as a group we are the problem. We are giving RMT sites their orb supplies by taking their great ratio offers, we are selling them our orbs for cash and we are buying their orbs. They wouldn't exist if it wasn't for us.

I'd correct myself: i wouldn't blame those players who take their high ratio offers (you can never know for sure), but those who buy their orbs with $. After all, they can have all the exalts in the world, if they can't make money out of it.

Well the way these rmt sites are working now is that if you are looking to exalt your gear, you either buy from them or sit in trade chat for hours on end. Once you up your offers to 200 alchs, they will start offering 250 or 300.

They do not care about inflation, they can run an unlimited number of bots with the amount of money they make. I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled in over 1000$ a day from orb sales.

It's kind of sad how the gambling mechanism goes hand to hand with rmt. People get addicted to the gambling(aka crafting in poe) and use rmt for more orbs because they are hooked.

That's the problem with gambling and everyone should know the house always wins. Sadly enough the house isn't supported by GGG but the system they created caters to it.

Low drop rates or high drop rates do not matter to them. In fact a low drop rate is more beneficial since they can have high prices and do less transactions... That's exactly why buying in bulk is always cheaper, because everyone wants to do less transactions.

Sodomee Please stop talking about things with 0 proof, or even evidence. People trade for exalts daily. You act like every single trade for an exalt is for a RMT site.

I'm starting to get really sick of how people seem to think a low chaos:exalt ratio is synonymous with a healthy economy.

I think 90% of the people starting anarchy had a thought process along the lines of "Exchange rates will go back to those of febuary so I will mass up on exalts now while they're cheap in anticipation of the long term exchange rates"- or some derivation thereof. The problem is is everyone knows where the exchange rates go in the long term, you've got the same high demand and low supply that led to the default league's exchange rate in the long run.




Currency exchange rates are far from the best indicator of the health of the economy. A better indicator is the value of mid-tier gear- which is doing just fine. If Default has any economic problem it's that people have had enough time to amass gear that only the best items have any value, inhibiting anyone who can't farm endgame maps from amassing wealth.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Sodomee Please stop talking about things with 0 proof, or even evidence. People trade for exalts daily. You act like every single trade for an exalt is for a RMT site.

You are not realizing that a lot of people pay $ for exalts because RMT sites controls the market. When people see that exalted orbs are the only thing that do not devalue, they begin accepting only pure exalts for their high end items. Where do you think most people get their 5-20 exalts that they pay for high end gear? Do you really believe that most people have that many exalts laying around? Most people who have exalts are selling them for the 200+ alch being offered by the RMT site owners. I know I already sold my 5 exalts(on anarchy) for the overpay without realizing what was happening.