Anarch economy is already even worse than SC economy

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Sodomee wrote:

I just began adding all the overpayers to my friends list to check their levels.
They are all level 25-30 but I'm just making assumptions with no proof lol. What level 27 has 150+fusings for every exalt you sell them? an obvious botter.

Edit: Just added another botter named fasraw on Anarchy. He offers 140 fusings and 200 chromatics per exalt you sell him. He is level 27. I'm just pulling this out of my butthole though...

Its good to know you realize what you're doing at least.

Seriously though, you haven't made a lick of sense this entire thread. You are seeing something and making the worst possible assumption you could. You keep going on about botters, but to my understanding, its not even possible to bot this game in the same way you can others.(according to GGG)

*Aside from all that, according to Chris, they are destroying RMT sites, and have seen significant improvements. I find it hard to believe that this issue could be getting worse, as you are suggesting.*

Its been explained multiple times in multiple ways why this issue likely has nothing at all to do with RMT sites. Until game mechanics/features change, this issue will get worse every time a major league starts, as more people learn whats going on and how to benefit from it.

If it has nothing to do with botting and RMT, when why are people on a <2 week old league trying to buy exalted with chance? Are you honestly trying to tell me that people have already accumulated thousands of chances through normal play?

just popping in again to say that it's mostly d2jsp and its forum gold that is doing the most damage to this game's economy

GGG should focus on that

I can only imagine it is either difficult or time consuming to target and ban d2jsp abusers on just cause even if they did something as silly as use the same username or list their ign.

I had one that posted in game item on jsp, and link item on forum. Both WTS, both nothing done. If GGG can look up item names, and match stats, they could do one hell of a ban wave.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Sodomee Please stop talking about things with 0 proof, or even evidence. People trade for exalts daily. You act like every single trade for an exalt is for a RMT site.

You are not realizing that a lot of people pay $ for exalts because RMT sites controls the market. When people see that exalted orbs are the only thing that do not devalue, they begin accepting only pure exalts for their high end items. Where do you think most people get their 5-20 exalts that they pay for high end gear?

I got about 50-60 exalts from trading, and any exalted in the economy got there by dropping.
As you said yourself, "they begin accepting only pure exalts", and this applies to anyone that trades anything.
I will also add that i have never found an exalt EVER in almost 2 years now, even though i played quite a lot, so thats the main reason why they dont devalue, they are the rarest orb in the game bar the mirror.

And no, im not selling them for alchs or chaos or whatever, why would i.
Those small orbs depreciate in value, and i have no use for them in such huge quantities.
Someone that has that many exalts laying around will keep on to them, except if he specifically bought them with $ in order to buy himself gear.
This is the reason why they (exalts) will keep rising in value. People like me would never sell them for other orbs, so the demand keeps rising while the people that have the exalts still arent selling.

I'm not saying you cant obtain exalts from selling gear. Also I am talking about the anarchy economy, the main subject of this thread. Oh and exalteds are not the rarest orb in the game barring mirrors. It actually works like this: Mirror>Eternal>Divine>Exalted. Divines aren't worth much because their use is limited until everyone has the best 6 property gear. The only problem is that by the time that happens, there are so many divines going unused and undervalued that they just seem like a lesser orb.

The people who buy exalts with cash do not hold onto them. They wait until they agree on a price for an item and then whip out their credit card. The ones who craft might hold onto them just until they get a nice 3 prop item they regaled. Normally I would have held out in selling my exalteds, but the prices rose so fast in Anarchy and I don't see them going above 200 alchs anytime soon.

Also slayer, not many anarchy exalteds get sold on jsp regardless of what you may believe.

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Sodomee wrote:

I just began adding all the overpayers to my friends list to check their levels.
They are all level 25-30 but I'm just making assumptions with no proof lol. What level 27 has 150+fusings for every exalt you sell them? an obvious botter.

Edit: Just added another botter named fasraw on Anarchy. He offers 140 fusings and 200 chromatics per exalt you sell him. He is level 27. I'm just pulling this out of my butthole though...

Its good to know you realize what you're doing at least.

Seriously though, you haven't made a lick of sense this entire thread. You are seeing something and making the worst possible assumption you could. You keep going on about botters, but to my understanding, its not even possible to bot this game in the same way you can others.(according to GGG)

*Aside from all that, according to Chris, they are destroying RMT sites, and have seen significant improvements. I find it hard to believe that this issue could be getting worse, as you are suggesting.*

Its been explained multiple times in multiple ways why this issue likely has nothing at all to do with RMT sites. Until game mechanics/features change, this issue will get worse every time a major league starts, as more people learn whats going on and how to benefit from it.

People are botting normal ledge and mud flats. I know this because I have met players who are far from legit on standard and they tell me and show me these things. I am not interested in botting, but I AM interested in stopping the botters from ruining the economy like they did to D2 and D3.

I just said the guys are above level 25, but below level 30. It isn't hard to bot a character up to that level and all you need is some transmuted gear. RMT sites are not being destroyed despite GGG's attempts. What they need to do is nerf the orb drop rates heavily in normal if you are 1 or 2 levels above the content or just nerf it in general. To compensate you can increase the drop rates in areas your character has never been to before.

You guys are failing to realize that JSP did not make exalteds worth 200 alchs or 150 fusings. The RMT botters did that. They seem to be able to gather over 1200 alchs a day in normal. If normal was not worth botting, the game would not be easy to bot.

Please stop making stuff up without ANY evidence.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Please stop making stuff up without ANY evidence.

You are just in denial. I'm not going to lookup hacking/botting forums just to link you the bots. Even if I haven't been told and showed the bots myself, it is quite obvious what is happening to the economy (if you play on anarchy that is).

Also if you were to even look at JSP and the going rates of orbs there, 200 alchs for an exalt is almost double what it is worth there. JSP did not impact the orb economy. RMT botters impacted the orb economy, which in turn impacted the JSP economy.

I don't support JSP trading, but you are clearly the one who does not know what he is saying. I wish there weren't any bots or RMT in this game, but the fact that people are botting only normal ledge and mud flats is a good thing. It means that GGG can easily target those players and stop them from botting.

Your denial of the bots is quite sad. I'd rather let it be known and have it handled ASAP, than pretend it doesn't exist and hope it goes away.

Where did I say I denied bots were in game? Cause I didn't.

What I did say, was that you keep posting #s about how many alchs they're finding, without any supporting evidence. None.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Where did I say I denied bots were in game? Cause I didn't.

What I did say, was that you keep posting #s about how many alchs they're finding, without any supporting evidence. None.

Me and my brother sold all of our exalts to the same guy who was offering 200alch per. People I know on standard are saying that the botters are running multiple bots and are able to find over 1000 alchs a day. The same person who bought all of my exalts and my brother's somehow has more alchs scourings and fusings the next day and continue to message us for exalts every day. My friend on standard just sold like 4 exalts for 240 alchs each to the same person.

You just keep talking about JSP when the orbs sold there do not amount to even 1/4th of what is being traded in-game.