Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

Oh man, thats so sad. There was pretty much one deciding factor on if I was going to continue playing this game when it went open beta/final and that was the loot system.

If this is how the loot is going to be then no offense, but I'll not be playing anymore, nor donating. I feel its a great shame that such an archaic and dumb system would be used.

Really sorry guys but this is probably going to have a massively negative impact on your game now, I think you've made a terrible error in judgement. Several of my friends have already said they think the loot system in this game is bad and won't even consider playing because of it.

Regardless, I hope you guys have great luck in the future. You managed to put in some really great ideas and make a great and fun game.

I was really hoping for a sensible and fair loot system like D3, or at least some kind of dice thing. Maybe I'll come back in a year or two and check if things changed.

Peace out all!

I have to say the drop items at the moment is a pain.
I notice it really does stop me and lots of people from playing with strangers, people even say it openly in game.
7 out of 10 times when I team up, whoever I team up with runs for rares and grabs them regardless of class. even if fighter and dropped item is a wand.
Honestly while it is not enough to stop me playing, the current drop system does not enhance the playing experience for me. The one you propose with a few secs timer is better but again, rushing to items for me is not an exciting part of the game, it breaks that feeling of "us vs them", makes it so I cannot play with strangers and enjoy the game, and I think that is a far greater game effect than any thrill I may get from rushing for an item.
in fact the most common multiplayer is 2 people in a group doing different levels so they dont *see* each other, and when there is overlap people quit.

things that might help:
whole party can view the items as they are grabbed (so if you missed somethign cool you can at least ask the other if it can be traded)
something as the timer you mention but not just 1 sec! 5+ secs. and affecting only rares and uniques, not white or blues.(dont want 50 timers on screen)

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HurlockHolmes wrote:

Actually, another thing you could do is just have it so how loot drops is set on the party screen or something, that way everybody is happy.

People can still have their allocated loot, and I can still have my loot races with friends, WITHOUT the broken drop system.

There are already at least a few games I've played that do this, and I love it. I'm a loot grabber myself, so I tend to let whoever I'm partying with choose, and if they choose FFA without requesting some sort of "who gets what," then their bad, I get everything.

i like this type of game and as a online game like to help people kill a boss if there are stuck, would also like to party up with random players ...But with this FFA loot i have stopped partying

note: 1 second is not enuff..... if the item is very good people will wait a lot longer (in Sacred2 i think timer was 30 seconds)

Next Note: a lot of players who dont like FFA loot are the sort that dont evan read or give feedback in forums i guess


This is a Online Game encourage randoms to party together by NOT having FFA loot

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Chris wrote:

- The time would be increased by the time it takes for the character to run to the item. An item allocated to a ranged player might unallocate after two seconds, for example.

The really big problem I see, as one who usually plays a ranged character, is that a rare bow will drop, but it'll be allocated to someone else.

When they grab it (because they CAN and I cannot) and I say something about it, I'll get the reaction that it was "theirs."

Whereas even in full FFA I can get to any bows that drop. Just the reaction time of the melee fighters to think about whether they want a bow or not gives me enough time to get it. Orbs might be snatched up a little more quickly, but orbs are not BUILD SPECIFIC.

Each party member should have the ability to see and grab their build-specific rares.


And these issues don't even come up in the FFA model all that often anyway. We each know that if we really want something, we grab it. Otherwise we don't. Having the timer there might give an illusion that an object rightfully belongs to a particular party member, and now they're suddenly being extra nice when they let the ranger have it.

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Unclemart wrote:

If this is how the loot is going to be then no offense, but I'll not be playing anymore, nor donating. I feel its a great shame that such an archaic and dumb system would be used.

Really sorry guys but this is probably going to have a massively negative impact on your game now, I think you've made a terrible error in judgement. Several of my friends have already said they think the loot system in this game is bad and won't even consider playing because of it.

Give it time, man. .9.10 isn't even out yet, and so GGG has of course not been able to measure the backlash from that system. For all we know .9.11 will have a much better solution.

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Normal, rare, epic, legendary... whatever terms are used.

Class specific options

Usable options.

If you were to implement these rules, there would be no need for a timer system or people just going all out on whatever drops, the deserving people would get what they needed, and if said loot doesn't fall into a category there could be a random roll done to see who wins it.

Pretty standard MMO loot distro rules, i realize this isn't an MMO but it is 3/4th's about the loot.

FFA loot was the simple reason behind me only playing with my wife when we hunted for gear in Diablo 2. Groups happened only when experience was needed. I fail to see the point in making a multiplayer game where most people wont because they want the gear.

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DarkNRG wrote:

FFA loot was the simple reason behind me only playing with my wife when we hunted for gear in Diablo 2. Groups happened only when experience was needed. I fail to see the point in making a multiplayer game where most people wont because they want the gear.

However, in this game group play is *ridiculously* easy compared to solo. You end up getting more loot anyway, a lot faster, even WITH everyone grabbing at things.

Four people get through areas a lot faster than four times the speed of a solo run, and thus you get more loot.

However, what I have just said could be a fairly weak argument, as I think the answer there is to make enemy scaling mush higher for groups than it currently is.

Guess i gotta make a tanky bowman with point blank to play range in a party. With 2 secs of just run time shooting from a screen away as i usualy do seams foolish.

I end up killing Rare mobs and cant see there drops as is. This means i cant even click on the loot thats alocated to me in time. If any are even alocated to me at that range.

And do u realy think frost wall wont be abused in theses cases? It last longer than anyones alocation time would be. If u say leap/tele/flicker, how does a ranger with a bow and specd dex make any one of those usefull for anything but out thinking a troll.

To me this seams like a bandaid for a hangnail, more trouble then help. Creating a system to help people, that can be used to annoy people by the more malicious, is more angering then someone being outright greedy. At least they dont have any protected items to rub in your face.

And too Unclemart:
Good riddance, u didnt even say what ur problem with the system was. This is a beta, they are trying things and geting feedback. D3's loot system is fair in the sence that evey char is exatly the same.