Streamer priority is as unethical as p2w. Discuss.

Agree, this is wrong...
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Jerle wrote:
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GusTheCrocodile wrote:
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fabiopa1n wrote:
I dont understand your argument.
So if you go to the movies you wouldnt mind waiting at the theater entrance waiting for someone more "socially relevant" to finish the movie before you are even allowed to enter?
No, that isn't what I said. Those people have seen the movie before it even got released to regular people. I'm not waiting for them. Them seeing it hasn't affected me at all.

Similarly, the number of big POE streamers is relatively tiny compared to the number of players, so GGG could stop this preferential treatment and you literally wouldn't even notice the effect on your queues. The cost to any of us for them to do this kind of promotion is essentially zero. (Plus, I'm not standing in a line at a cinema, I'm at home having a coffee in comfort. Oh no.)


You're only thinking in terms of impact on the queue. But these people are getting an ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE in this new league. And guess what is the selling point of new league launch again?


It's not even just the currency advantage.

The league is a race feature. It's highly competitive. Even for the 12 challenge andy and the people who level to A4 and quit.

When you show preferential treatment to streamers you're opening the door to the dialogue on preferential treatment everywhere in the game. The very thing you wanted to avoid years ago.

There's no point to a league if this is going to be the result. Even if sometimes it's not true. If it's true at all it seriously tarnishes the integrity of the game.

A reboot of the league is the right move.
I wonder if the name "Boilerplate_Apology" is taken?
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fabiopa1n wrote:
My point exactly. Its two completely different scenarios.
People have been waiting for the season launch and still are to some degree.

Streamers are not waiting, they were given privilege over other players. Regardless of how common of a practice that is its still unfair for the entire player base that isn't allowed to play.

Also I'm having tea, chamomile to smoothen up from this clusterfuck of a launch.

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Jerle wrote:
You're only thinking in terms of impact on the queue. But these people are getting an ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE in this new league. And guess what is the selling point of new league launch again?
My response to these is basically the same, so:

I'm not disputing that it's not fair. Of course it's not fair.

But without even getting into randomness, unfairness in progress through a game like POE (whether you call that progress "economic advantage" or just "they got to maps before I started") is the norm.

Yes, in this example, streamers have privilege that other players don't. But players who are sitting there with loads of free time ready to pour into the game should recognise their own privilege over others if they want to talk about level playing fields or whatever.

For all sorts of reasons - employment/financial, health related, caring for someone, family requirements etc - loads of people won't get to play on release day at all. Loads of people won't ever have the same amount of time to devote to the game as the heaviest players do. For those people, the complaints being made here ("others have an economic advantage in the game", "others are up to maps and I'm just starting") are just how the game works. We all live in different situations; there is no level playing field, it never existed.

A few hours progress is, in the first few hours, a big disparity. But in a few days it's just normal for huge numbers of people, whether it's because they're a few days behind or they got to play at launch but had to take a few more breaks than others. Does that mean the game is trash for them? Of course not. If someone can't enjoy the game unless they're at the absolute apex of the economic pyramid...that's a bit sad. And if they can enjoy the game without being at the top of that pyramid, then there's no problem.
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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:
Nope, definitely is. Cant trust GGG with drops/rng now when its in relation to streamers.


unfortunately that is the reality we are in now.
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Jerle wrote:
I am personally very disappointed with GGG on this decision.

The implicit understanding has always been, all players are equal, and anything that matters is based on effort you put in within the game. Anti P2W is all about ensuring external means don’t influence ingame achievements. Now GGG is saying not all players are equal.


Interesting. Just woke up to see these accusations, and I don't quite care enough to troll through the material. Got a nice clean source for an old ruler with a slight hangover? Cheers.
If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.

I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period.
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Jerle wrote:
I am personally very disappointed with GGG on this decision.

The implicit understanding has always been, all players are equal, and anything that matters is based on effort you put in within the game. Anti P2W is all about ensuring external means don’t influence ingame achievements. Now GGG is saying not all players are equal.


100% agree

Fuck GGG
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Foreverhappychan wrote:
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Jerle wrote:
I am personally very disappointed with GGG on this decision.

The implicit understanding has always been, all players are equal, and anything that matters is based on effort you put in within the game. Anti P2W is all about ensuring external means don’t influence ingame achievements. Now GGG is saying not all players are equal.


Interesting. Just woke up to see these accusations, and I don't quite care enough to troll through the material. Got a nice clean source for an old ruler with a slight hangover? Cheers.


Long story short, league launch was shitshow, which isn't exactly new.

What was new, was a special server provided to streamers who played without issues while the entire community stared at login screens, disconnected, or were in queue's over 100k
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Apr 16, 2021, 9:17:06 PM
I guess it's hard for me to care because I'm not competing with anyone but myself.

That being said, I definitely think this is a bad look for them. Some people definitely care about the equal starting point and it's important that they maintain that integrity.

This start definitely reminds me of much older leagues where it was common practice to sit out day 1 because it was always this bad (or worse).
Thanks for all the fish!

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