WHERE CAN I TALK ABOUT THIS ? (BANNED FOR NOTHING)

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Schmockla wrote:

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HanSoloDK wrote:

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Schmockla wrote:

Overall, they said i was banned for something RMT related....not the garden bug, not 3rd party programs...probably sent the same message to all who got bot-banned...but doesn't really matter now...

Oh this is interesting --> They properly have logs of you trading items / currency to "several" other chars without getting anything "correct" in return.
Like giving / helping guild member with items or currency.
Could also be you "trading" items / currency to your other chars (on your other account).
This "looks" like RMT so you got banned.......

Well if a guild mate, or in game mate asks for 20 ex and i have, i will give yes...but i also expect them to give them back :) it's not like a giveaway....and i've done that multiple times, and also borrowed from other people. I don't think that is against the ToS but i can understand how a bot might consider it similar to rmt.

well you are the second one that reported that your account was banned for "RMT" like behavior and it fits the patternt then.....

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well you are the second one that reported that your account was banned for "RMT" like behavior and it fits the patternt then.....

Well good to know now at least, and good that it was solved in the end, now i know next time i lend someone 10-20 ex ill ask for something in return with no value. But still wouldn't that be considered rmt by a bot if he gives me a 1 socketed normal armor with no mods bought from town for 15 ex for ex ? I mean that would be even more suspicious imo.

Auto-banning-bots should be better set to do their job...like maybe check the acount of the player, time played, in-game stuff bought, achievements etc etc.

I mean no one in their right minds would consider to do something WILLINGLY and CONCIOUSLY that they know they will put their account in danger by doing it. So let's say a big streamer that has 1000-2000 viewers gives someone 100 ex in a trade....they are clearly beeing watched by those people and they can see its not rmt....but the ban-bot will just take in account the trade with noting in return.

I mean even decent streamers like Ghazzy (dunno if im allowed to give streamers names) but example is pure evident....while on live stream he was giving to his mate like 500ex in a trade or at least 300+ and nothing in return from the oher player.
I mean...i never lended more than 30ex i think....and im considered to rmt....so what he will be next ?

There has to be something implemented that doesnt act like the police and consideres everything to be a violation of code.

I mean i dont have that of an old account, but still my progress on it, time played and money invested should be taken in calculations by a bot when it decides to ban. Would be completley fair.

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Schmockla wrote:

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well you are the second one that reported that your account was banned for "RMT" like behavior and it fits the patternt then.....

Well good to know now at least, and good that it was solved in the end, now i know next time i lend someone 10-20 ex ill ask for something in return with no value. But still wouldn't that be considered rmt by a bot if he gives me a 1 socketed normal armor with no mods bought from town for 15 ex for ex ? I mean that would be even more suspicious imo.

Auto-banning-bots should be better set to do their job...like maybe check the acount of the player, time played, in-game stuff bought, achievements etc etc.

I mean no one in their right minds would consider to do something WILLINGLY and CONCIOUSLY that they know they will put their account in danger by doing it. So let's say a big streamer that has 1000-2000 viewers gives someone 100 ex in a trade....they are clearly beeing watched by those people and they can see its not rmt....but the ban-bot will just take in account the trade with noting in return.

I mean even decent streamers like Ghazzy (dunno if im allowed to give streamers names) but example is pure evident....while on live stream he was giving to his mate like 500ex in a trade or at least 300+ and nothing in return from the oher player.
I mean...i never lended more than 30ex i think....and im considered to rmt....so what he will be next ?

There has to be something implemented that doesnt act like the police and consideres everything to be a violation of code.

I mean i dont have that of an old account, but still my progress on it, time played and money invested should be taken in calculations by a bot when it decides to ban. Would be completley fair.

You suggestion will properly make it worse because trading 15 ex for a 1c item is clearly "not a true trade".
I would believe that you will have more "luck" proving to GGG that all these trades where you "give" 15 ex for nothing is a "loan" to a guild member.
Then problem then reise if they then can see in the logs that the 15 ex is never returned.....

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HanSoloDK wrote:

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so wait..by ToS u are not allowed to just give someone 10ex...

let's say u feel peachy, and u have 150ex and he needs 10ex.....u just give them and say to give them back if they want or not....as a friendly act lets say.

if those dont get returned its not allowed ? or considered rmt by ggg ?

i can understand the logical ideea u can get from it if u dont know the actual story, as a bot or a person. But still...even so...who would rmt 10-20 ex ?

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Schmockla wrote:

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HanSoloDK wrote:

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so wait..by ToS u are not allowed to just give someone 10ex...

let's say u feel peachy, and u have 150ex and he needs 10ex.....u just give them and say to give them back if they want or not....as a friendly act lets say.

if those dont get returned its not allowed ? or considered rmt by ggg ?

i can understand the logical ideea u can get from it if u dont know the actual story, as a bot or a person. But still...even so...who would rmt 10-20 ex ?

There is nothing in the ToS about giving anyone 1, 10 or 100 ex for free.
However since it looks like RMT in the logs, you can get banned as you have found out the hard way now.

You can also see that from the other reply a few posts back that basicly they are saying he is doing trading, services and so on for real money (RMT) and if they see it again he will be perma banned.

He reply is --> that he is giving all his gear and currency away when he is finished with league to his friends / guild members and that he has never done anything else.....

As long as there is access for everyone, you should be able to stash whatever in the guild bank, and the person you are lending to retrieves them.

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"...circumventing moderation action by using another Path of Exile account will result in further action. It is otherwise fine to have multiple Path of Exile accounts as long as they are not shared with other users for any reason."

what does circumventing moderation action mean ?

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Schmockla wrote:

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"...circumventing moderation action by using another Path of Exile account will result in further action. It is otherwise fine to have multiple Path of Exile accounts as long as they are not shared with other users for any reason."

what does circumventing moderation action mean ?

that if your primary account has been put on probation for "something" and you then do the continue to do the same thing on your other account, then you are trying to circumventing moderation.

It can also be what you did in the beginning of this thread, claiming a "friend" was banned but it was you that was being banned and you tried to get "people" to support you buy using your alternate account......

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HanSoloDK wrote:

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Schmockla wrote:

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"...circumventing moderation action by using another Path of Exile account will result in further action. It is otherwise fine to have multiple Path of Exile accounts as long as they are not shared with other users for any reason."

what does circumventing moderation action mean ?

that if your primary account has been put on probation for "something" and you then do the continue to do the same thing on your other account, then you are trying to circumventing moderation.

It can also be what you did in the beginning of this thread, claiming a "friend" was banned but it was you that was being banned and you tried to get "people" to support you buy using your alternate account......

ok i understand now. tyvm

I got my case re-reviewed some time ago after posting here. The ban was not lifted, but I got a much more detailed answer as to why I was banned, though not anything completely specific.

It was however underlined that Real Money Trade is not allowed, and since I have never used any kind of 3rd party software it's pretty sure to say RMT was the reason (other explanation could be that I do have global hotkeys for non-PoE related programs such as foobar - F9 to pause music etc., so it might be some algorithm-based ban)

I have over 25 years of videogame experience but PoE was the first game I have played that has in-game trading, so obviously I made some pretty stupid trades (sold something crazy cheap, paid way too much or just plain counted the currency wrong). Anyhoo, though I understand the stupid trades might look like it, I have never paid nor received actual money or anything else outside the game. I also did receive some free items/currency from a friend, but those were really small amounts.

A friend also noted that since I'm fairly new player (started in Delirium), it might be suspicious I was at level 99 with bunch of 5-6 x T1 items - a newbie surely couldn't have gotten those without paying real money. That might also be true, if not made possible thanks to Harvest - it was pretty easy to craft "perfect" items.

So if the alleged RMT was the reason for my ban as it seems, it really sucks, since I never did that. If it was something else, well, then so be it. Since I'm used to games where bans come from cheating like aimbotting or wallhacking, permanent ban out of the blue for trade activity that "seems" suspicious without informing/questioning the player just seems harsh. But well, not my playground, not my rules.

Well, just posting my frustration one last time, since I really enjoyed this game. I was told I could make a new account to rejoin the game but as to my understanding, then I would have to buy the stash tabs again and for sure I'm not paying money for something I already purchased once. Anyway, I'm off to different games then, all the best for people who got unbanned. And to all those white knights in high horses who post here in disguises of friendly helpers but actually just want to kick a man when he's down ("stop spamming", "just wait patiently", "staff don't read this" "you MUST have done something wrong" etc.) - you are way more irritating than the frustrated guy who can't play his favourite game.