A realization about Path Of Exile economy, from watching Streamers

I didn't mistake what the OP said (unless I am sadly mistaken). Back in the day if you were unlucky with 6 linking it was devastating because fusings were scarce and expensive as was the currency to buy them. Now they are going for 5/1 instead of 1.5/1 or 2/1 as they historically have been. With drops greatly increased that makes fusings about 10-20% of the historical (adjusted) cost.

When I say I am good at trading it doesn't mean I don't grind for currency in order to buy. It means that I play the game just like almost everyone else but I realize historical trends and do not sell exalts early, I do not sit on chaos orbs which are declining every day in a league. I take all my various currency stuff and buy only currencies that appreciate greatly. I also buy items that appreciate greatly. So, for instance I sell all of my regret orbs at precisely the right time - 1-2 weeks into a league, same with prophesy coins. Other currency like scourings have very little value until people start to craft etc.

My difference of opinion with the OP is that regular players now are able to do this fairly easily where in the past only the streamers or people who played 24/7 could do it. If you decide you don't want to do the research and deal with the somewhat distasteful trading then that is your decision. And if you don't want to play the meta you are making a decision to be less effective. Thank goodness GGG shifts the meta all the time - I would have hated to play Winter Orb for 7 seasons in a row.

Yes, you can easily farm red maps, with preetty much any build, but fights like Shaper, Uber Elder and Kossis in the final wave in Simulacrum are pure gear-checks - you can't really do these fights with low low dps builds (arena gets filled with chilling areas, you get one-shot eventually, etc)

Anyway, the more you play, the more currency you farm, the better your build is at farming. You can't expect to beat uber-elder after 10 hours of play time, unless you find a mirror or something. But after 100+ hours of mapping with a single character, you are pretty much guaranteed to have enough currency to fully gear a character, and to do all content efficiently, regardless of build.

For me, this league, took ~1000 maps to get a HH and double-hatred watcher eye. Of course, early league was finishing a map in 8-10 minutes, now in ~3 minutes, unless it has Alva or some blight encounter.

You can use a tool like this one, to see your mapping stats: https://mapwatch.erosson.org

TL,DR: The more you work, the better you are at working.

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Phrazz wrote:

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adamsaun wrote:

I don't understand the skill tree, I never will, I never want to. I don't understand crafting, I never will, I never want to.

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adamsaun wrote:

Unfortunately, this severely limits what I can accomplish in the game.

If you're not willing to learn, or as you put it; if you don't "want" to learn the fundamentals of the game, then yes; it severely limits what you can accomplish.

Builds and guides are brilliant ways into learning the game. But if you're not willing to learn, and instead follow them blindly, you will never know "why" or "how" on pretty important elements of the game.

IF you one day find it in your heart to learn - if you "want" to, you don't have to think about meta. You can make your own builds, around 90% of the skills in the game - and make them work - far into red maps; most of them all the way.

Unfortunately I don't have the time or energy to entertain some ArTisTic ViSioN devs who change everything constantly. I don't have the time to spend sitting in front of third party applications to simulate my character. I enjoy playing the game.

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Hard challenge, for who?

For me yeah I need to do all the mechanics because bad DPS, and my gear is bad so I can't face-tank much. One hit and I fall over.
Also I've got just one attempt at it because I farmed up just one set.
And ultimately if I'm successful there will be loot. A one-time drop of boss-exclusive goodies. Better be something to be proud of.

For you? Nah you're rich.
Mechanics? Ha! Melt the boss in 5 seconds. Face tank even if he manages to do something while melting.
Attempts? You've got 100 sets ready to go, and will buy 200 more to chain them. All done in the time it takes me to do one fight.
Loot? Anything good will sell, making your ultra-rich currency tab even richer.

What the fuck kind of "knowledge" and "challenge" are you talking about, Phrazz?

And the next League boss will have 10x the HP, do 100x the damage, and have more unavoidable attacks - because Chris looks at your ultra-geared meta char for balance and not my crappy weird build.
So for you taking down the new big bad won't be a problem. 15 seconds instead of 5.
But for me well... tough luck get rekt git gud grow another set of fingers to be quicker, scrub.

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Archon___ wrote:

you know that before getting geared you actually need to do them and have to play the fight?
Even geared depending on the strengh of your build (like playing some garbo off meta build) you are not even sure to melt it in 5 second ?
I legit did my last build alone and i didnt dumped 100+exalt in them (because i do many and i dont farm that much like really i take it chill) and i can still beat all the content there is.
and anyway what matter is the journey the moment i get too rich i find annoyed because minmaxing at some point don't allow you to destroy new challenge but make the one you already do easier and i want to always beat stronger opponents.
what matter is the journey, not the end.
at this point if you are so envious on everyone doing better than you so easily you better not look at what the others do to enjoy it better alone.
That is not a problem of this game the problem is in your mindset because this mindset can follow you on every single game

No you don't, people flip currency or exploit some area of the market to get rich early. Believe it or not, I've spent alot of time trying to figure out how to 'get gud' because I genuinely love the gameplay but hate the economics. All I have ever found is people who have:

- Spammed bosses / content into oblivion in the past, already know mechanics
- Have genuine skill at gaming (not the majority)
- Found some niche market to exploit and made bank

Nevermind the streamers who just have stuff handed to them by fans, but that's another issue.

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johnKeys wrote:

to get rich you need to be rich. and then you get richer.

This is not exactly true, you can start with Tabula and some cheap gear and farm t13 blighted plateau for great profit (even better with said plateau being 10c in current league).

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level 8 Sirus after level 8 Sirus like nothing

Sirus is mechanical fight, you can do him in Tabula with Archmage Storm Brands without any problem, just need to dodge most of his skills.

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"fully juiced up" 100% Delirium maps

100% Delirium map is bad for profit to be fair, since it takes too much to clear said map, but the rewards are just 20% more in comparison to 80% delirium map.

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MrWonderful99 wrote:

I can do what you say only streamers can do which is rifle through 20 waves like it is nothing etc. And I pretty much am a very average player (but a good trader and researcher).

Which is the point in my OP.

I consider myself a slightly above average player and a really, really bad trader.

Are there tools now that can help me "git gud" at trading, which didn't exist back in 2013? Yes. And I imagine quite good ones.
But do I want to "git gud"? No. Because that's not the way I play.
I do trade now and then, but don't enjoy it.

GGG doing more and more steps over time that help a rich Streamer or a rich player, while fucking me over more?
I don't think I'm the target audience of this game anymore.
It's more than burnout, at this point.

You should learn to distinguish between trading and flipping. I do not like people who take advantage of the new players and buy and flip. I do a lot of trading, and it is all in how you look at it whether it is enjoyable or horrible. Even when I have 30 ex in my tab I still enjoy selling a belt that dropped for me for 3 chaos. Why? Because someone can use it and enjoy it. If you are in a trade league and are only in it for yourself you should go to SSF and suffer through the horrible RNG. It is my opinion that if you choose to be in a trade league you should be a good citizen and a somewhat friendly trader trying not only to improve your own build but raising up the enjoyment of others. But I have read your replies and I have little faith that your frame of mind can be altered - that is too bad.