A realization about Path Of Exile economy, from watching Streamers

The disparity in this thread is off the hook.

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pifpep wrote:

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Destructodave wrote:

If you cant do that baseline level of trade, then why are you playing non-SSF? And you know, there are SSF players out there accomplishing all the things you say is only doable with currency.

Why should one have to impose rules to himself like ssf to get an enjoyable gameplay experience?

Or how much time does ggg expect people to spent in the game?

I want the game to be hard, but without any bypassing options and group cheaters.

They wanted to make rare items better or more important, my dumb ass thought that they make picking up rares worthwhile .. how wrong i was.

Hes already imposing rules on himself by not trading. So why play in a league and compare himself to players who are? Play in the one where they aren't.

And how is not having an enjoyable experience? Oh, I know; becuase he isnt playing the game. He watched a stream, got jealous that their in-league characters destroy the game better than his Standard character, and ran to the forum to complain.

He could start right now, in league, and gear a character capable of killing all the stuff he wants in 2 weeks or less. Stuff is cheap. He could play Minions, Poison, Cyclone, etc and be geared up in no time, killing shaper, elder, Sirius, Simulacrums. But you aint gonna be able to do that if you dont play the game. Hes not gonna kill them like the streamers do, but he can beat them. He can farm them. But again; you aint gonna accomplish much complaining on the forum instead of playing the game.

I mean you are defending a guy, who wont even attempt to play. This is a game made by a company with "Grind" in its name. Its a game meant to be grinded. Power and skill in this game is directly tied to amount of time invested. If you are not willing to put in the bare minimum requirement to play the game, why do you feel entitled to beat the hardest content as fast or as well as a streamer?

Look, if he came in here with 20-30 challenges, or at least a league character, maybe he had a point. The highest character he has on his account is a 91, and he dont even have a league character. What do you expect to accomplish like that in a game like this? This is not a skill-based game. Its a time-based game. While I agree with some things said, its hard to take someone's side like that when they havent even attempted to put in the work. Not only that, lashing out at everyone who has items or done things he's jealous of, as if we are all power gamers. Like calling me a super trader. Every league but this one, I'm a 7-10ex cyclone/RF player. Thats what my real life dictates for me. I'll go 3-4 days in a row without being able to log on. So be it. This particular league Covid allowed me to grind like the big boys. So I did. So I own more than a 7-10ex cycloner. And now somehow I'm a super gamer, super trader. No, I played the game. Thats what I did. I logged on, and I played the game.

Its not the streamers or GGG holding him down at this specific point in time; its his complete lack of playing the game.

Man, what a read. Here's what I learned.

PoE and Cookie Clicker are basically identical.

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pifpep wrote:

Or how much time does ggg expect people to spent in the game?

"To achieve what?"

That's an important question in this debate.

This thread is written by a player choosing to not take advantage of some of the in-game tools that are essential to being "rich", "successful" or "very efficient". It goes without saying that he'll be using "more time" to achieve the same as others to achieve the same thing. Still, he's comparing himself to streamers, playing and trading all day long - for a living.

This game isn't BALANCED around those streamers.

Does the game OFFER something to them? Something "more" than the casual Joe can achieve? Sure. Something else would be idiotic in my eyes. That only mean that SOME aspects of the game is balanced around playing A LOT. But the game as a whole? FAR from.

But God forbid that ANY game has SOME aspect that "you", personally, can't achieve, right?

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Phrazz wrote:

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pifpep wrote:

Or how much time does ggg expect people to spent in the game?

"To achieve what?"

That's an important question in this debate.

This thread is written by a player choosing to not take advantage of some of the in-game tools that are essential to being "rich", "successful" or "very efficient". It goes without saying that he'll be using "more time" to achieve the same as others to achieve the same thing. Still, he's comparing himself to streamers, playing and trading all day long - for a living.

This game isn't BALANCED around those streamers.

Does the game OFFER something to them? Something "more" than the casual Joe can achieve? Sure. Something else would be idiotic in my eyes. That only mean that SOME aspects of the game is balanced around playing A LOT. But the game as a whole? FAR from.

But God forbid that ANY game has SOME aspect that "you", personally, can't achieve, right?

I would say the streamers have far more impact than you're giving them credit for. Being at the top means that changes also trickle downward.

There's a lot of things going on psychologically. So much that it appears to inhibit your ability to enjoy an supposedly and frustratingly enjoyable game.

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

I would say the streamers have far more impact than you're giving them credit for. Being at the top means that changes also trickle downward.

Maybe.

As I've said; certain aspects of this game is certainly balanced around players playing a lot - that are good at the game. And that's the way it should be. Do these players have a huge impact on the economy? Sure, they supply the market with goods.

But the game is FAR from "impossible" if you don't play that much. A LOT of players are proving that each day. Hell, new players in my guild are capable of getting 40/40 (with help and guidance) in their first league - with lots of currency to spare.

It's all about expectations.

Do you demand to be immortal without playing a lot?
Do you demand to be rich without playing a lot?
Do you demand to be able to clear the craziest content no one is forcing you to run?

All these based on your particular available play time?

I am watching steamers and man, you gotta work hard to make as many clams as they do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzcQBeWtJ6I

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Phrazz wrote:

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

I would say the streamers have far more impact than you're giving them credit for. Being at the top means that changes also trickle downward.

Maybe.

As I've said; certain aspects of this game is certainly balanced around players playing a lot - that are good at the game. And that's the way it should be. Do these players have a huge impact on the economy? Sure, they supply the market with goods.

But the game is FAR from "impossible" if you don't play that much. A LOT of players are proving that each day. Hell, new players in my guild are capable of getting 40/40 (with help and guidance) in their first league - with lots of currency to spare.

It's all about expectations.

Do you demand to be immortal without playing a lot?
Do you demand to be rich without playing a lot?
Do you demand to be able to clear the craziest content no one is forcing you to run?

All these based on your particular available play time?

I have to disagree with the "no forced content" bit there Phrazz, and I will explain why. While yes it is true nobody is holding you at gunpoint to kill sirus in the real world, GGG is forcing you to, at least once in the game world because he's part of the quest at the end. Same as shaper was, same as uber elder was, but they swapped those out for the shittiest fight I've ever seen from a mechanics perspective and reneged on their own word that chaos resistance wouldn't be super important when they put in chaos damage.

Edit: Grammar and spelling

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jtggm1985 wrote:

I have to disagree with the "no forced content" bit there Phrazz, and I will explain why. While yes it is true nobody is holding you at gunpoint to kill sirus in the real world, GGG is forcing you to, at least once in the game world because he's part of the quest at the end. Same as shaper was, same as uber elder was, but they swapped those out for the shittiest fight I've ever seen from a mechanics perspective and reneged on their own word that chaos resistance wouldn't be super important when they put in chaos damage.

Edit: Grammar and spelling

It's a good thing, then - that I wasn't talking about Sirus when I said "crazy content". As you say, Sirus IS part of the main end-game story. What I was referring to, was 100% Delirium maps with triple Beyond and crazy stuff like that.

While I do absolutely agree that the fight has its flaws, it's pretty mechanical and can be learned. AND it can absolutely be done with -60 chaos res.