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robmafia wrote:

...so because build x will be better than build y, the game should get sillier with every patch. got it.

"Exciting update for 3.10! We're nerfing damage for all skills by 50%!"

There, now is the game more fun?

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Gordyne wrote:

Also the disparity between average and Top builds is insanely ridiculous.

I don't mind if a top build performs about 50% better than solid/average builds, but when it performs 10x better than there is a glaring balance problem.

y.

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grepman wrote:

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Gordyne wrote:

Also the disparity between average and Top builds is insanely ridiculous.

I don't mind if a top build performs about 50% better than solid/average builds, but when it performs 10x better than there is a glaring balance problem.

y.

the discrepancy is mostly the product of theorycrafting and systems in PoE. it's a side effect, so to speak.

to bridge the gap, you either rebalance everything super-meticulously or you make a lot of things super generic and dumb down systems so everyone is roughly in the same range.

diablo 3/4 are the latter route. attack and defense, simple stats, caps on things like movespeed and very generic stat systems.

more balanced, but also a fucktton more boring and generic and bland.

its possible to have less power creep without furthering the gap more, just look at poe circa 2012/2013/2014

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grepman wrote:

diablo 3/4 are the latter route. attack and defense, simple stats, caps on things like movespeed and very generic stat systems.

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grepman wrote:

whats funny is that the gap between builds wouldnt be so obvious if it wasnt for streaming culture and poe ninja.

if poe was a thing during d2 times, far less people would care about gap of power between builds.

nowadays, someone can start playing poe, they will enjoy themselves, then they go to some random stream and see a build that is going at 10x their rate and they get pissed.

then they go to poe.ninja and they see the big picture. they get more pissed.

you cant have both complexity of poe systems and theorycrafting and narrow range between build power.

and each power creep iteration introduces more tools that builds can take advantage of, top ones will make use of it because they min max, thats just how things work.

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Gordyne wrote:

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grepman wrote:

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Gordyne wrote:

Also the disparity between average and Top builds is insanely ridiculous.

I don't mind if a top build performs about 50% better than solid/average builds, but when it performs 10x better than there is a glaring balance problem.

y.

the discrepancy is mostly the product of theorycrafting and systems in PoE. it's a side effect, so to speak.

to bridge the gap, you either rebalance everything super-meticulously or you make a lot of things super generic and dumb down systems so everyone is roughly in the same range.

diablo 3/4 are the latter route. attack and defense, simple stats, caps on things like movespeed and very generic stat systems.

more balanced, but also a fucktton more boring and generic and bland.

its possible to have less power creep without furthering the gap more, just look at poe circa 2012/2013/2014

If it has more build variety(meaning more builds being able to complete all content) I wouldn't consider it boring... but I don't think it's the passive tree that makes the disparity worse. I might be wrong though. D3 feels so different that idk if it's a good comparison.

Well, hope they do something about this, its waaaaaay over the top even for a arpg...

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Gordyne wrote:

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grepman wrote:

whats funny is that the gap between builds wouldnt be so obvious if it wasnt for streaming culture and poe ninja.

if poe was a thing during d2 times, far less people would care about gap of power between builds.

nowadays, someone can start playing poe, they will enjoy themselves, then they go to some random stream and see a build that is going at 10x their rate and they get pissed.

then they go to poe.ninja and they see the big picture. they get more pissed.

you cant have both complexity of poe systems and theorycrafting and narrow range between build power.

and each power creep iteration introduces more tools that builds can take advantage of, top ones will make use of it because they min max, thats just how things work.

It CAN be much more narrow than it is now. Balancing the game around top builds will just kill build diversity. Considering that a viable build is one that can experience everything the game has to offer and beat every boss etc.(not counting delve)

Not only that, but there has to be a limot to player power or everything starts to look looney toons kind of silly.

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grepman wrote:

diablo 3/4 are the latter route. attack and defense, simple stats, caps on things like movespeed and very generic stat systems.

Diablo 4 I dunno, it seems like they may be dumbing it down more. But Diablo 3 isn't like that. Your damage is an attack range and your speed based on the weapons APS.

Your defense is a base reduction from your armor, then more reuctions based on your gear, and if you block that shaves off an amount of damage. You have to manage block chance and and the strength of it, which is pretty sweet.

The stats are simpler than PoE's but compared to a majority of games has a fair amount of depth. And they don't cap anything. There's diminishing returns on damage based stats like resource cost and cooldown reduction, but not on things like move speed. If you build a character for speed clearing you can bomb through shit.

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Gordyne wrote:

I don't mind if a top build performs about 50% better than solid/average builds, but when it performs 10x better than there is a glaring balance problem.