GGG hates standard.

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kasusha wrote:

Isn't the charm of this game to start over? I mean, their main focus might be in the sweet spot between speedrunners and people that like permadeath.

You can like it or not, it's up to you.
You know you are allowed to dislike games, right? I hate games that have tutorials or are easy to progress. Here you can mess really bad if you don't think now and then. However, i'm not complaining on the forums of other games just because i'm not their main target audience.

One would think that PoE is such a diverse game, one might play it in many different ways.

Hardcore, SSF, Racing and others might enjoy not heaving to grind their masters every three months.

So while you might not be "complaining on the forums of other games just because i'm not their main target audience" you are screaming at other kids in the sanbox that are not building their sandcastles like the other kids. Its equaly ridiculous.

Don't now why people would ever feel like they have to insult people which like to play the permanent league, but well... There are quite some comprehensibly reasons for playing standart. Trying to take builds to the limit, enjoying constant developement over a large amount of time, having not enough time to compete with the racecharacter of a league and so on.

ignore, double

best thread all week. [Removed by Support]

JK JK GUYS

but in all seriousness, it is quite obvious that this game is built around leagues. the whole game with the endless build possibilities and the fact that there are no free respecs available just breathes "reroll". if you dont like making and leveling new characters i am afraid that this game is not really targed towards you. not saying you cannot enjoy it anyways, but there is hardly any point in complaining about GGG not prioritizing an audience that is not their primary target.

myself i get bored with a character very easily, and i love starting fresh on a new build, with an empty stash, knowing that every single item that drops is a potential upgrade. hence i am always up for a new league, and this game suits me very well, and the concept of hardcore is quite nice as it brings my characters to a natural end before i get bored of them. if you like spending years on a single character there are plenty of other games that cater to you. may i suggest taking a look at diablo 3 or world of warcraft?

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kasusha wrote:

Isn't the charm of this game to start over?

God no. Not for me. Starting over in ARPGs has almost always seemed tedious to me, and after 6 characters in PoE I almost can't stomach the idea of starting another.

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I mean, their main focus might be in the sweet spot between speedrunners and people that like permadeath.

I think HC players would disagree with that assessment. That pretty much leaves speed runners as their focus.

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You can like it or not, it's up to you.
You know you are allowed to dislike games, right? I hate games that have tutorials or are easy to progress. Here you can mess really bad if you don't think now and then. However, i'm not complaining on the forums of other games just because i'm not their main target audience.

You mean the league that started this game, that target audience? The implication that since they put it in there, they'd actually support it like they actually care? I don't recall anywhere when I signed up for the PoE Beta saying this was a game for speed runners and people who like rerolling characters every three months. That people that want to play the same character in static league need not apply? I didn't see the news announcement where GGG said they were discontinuing support for the standard league and we can all rot.

Their "main target audience" was Diablo players and people who liked Titan Quest. Period. Full stop. They pitched this game initially as a near endless grind to 100. Not some 3 month league sprint meta. Their priorities may have changed since then but if they have, they've done an abysmal job of communicating that to their playerbase in standard. If GGG tomorrow came out and said "Standard is dead, thanks for all the money" I'd fuck right off because at least they would be upfront about it.

I think the truth is that PoE's end game is broken and GGG knows that. That's why Standard is an embarrassment to them, because high level characters expose how broken things can get: either your build just can't get past X level because they're not playing Y build, or Z build melts shit so fast it makes a joke of the content. That's why they love leagues so much: few truly get to the very end game. People focus on the early to late game where balance isn't as fragile and eventually burn out and wait for the next league, and so everything is hunky dory in GGG's world. You don't have to put to the test that "a million builds are possible" when everyone rerolls every three months. It's easier to plan for the short term health of your game (flashy leagues) and ignore the long term health of your game (anyone that bothers to level past 90.)

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Nenjin wrote:

Their "main target audience" was Diablo players

you know that the ladder was a pretty central thing in d2, right? there were even ladder only uniques and runewords and content, just like in poe. and you cant possibly claim that non-ladder wasnt broken with heaps of duped, bugged and hacked items

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fsg wrote:

best thread all week. [Removed by Support]

lol, really? are poe players really so sensitive that an obvious joke is removed to not cause any hurt feelings?

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fsg wrote:

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Nenjin wrote:

Their "main target audience" was Diablo players

you know that the ladder was a pretty central thing in d2, right? there were even ladder only uniques and runewords and content, just like in poe. and you cant possibly claim that non-ladder wasnt broken with heaps of duped, bugged and hacked items

Wasn't for me. I treated it like a SP game and enjoyed it thoroughly like that. I remember D1 was full of duped, broken crap and that's why I quite playing it and D2 online, and just focused on the game as is in the SP experience. That's how I've always treated PoE as well, from Day 1. I was playing SSF by choice from pretty much Day 1.

And nothing GGG presented in beta told me this shouldn't be the case, that I was wasting my time playing it because I wasn't the "core audience." (Which I think is a horseshit argument anyways. PoE would take a corpse that could type in the early days, they wanted everyone. So that seems like disingenuous, slippery argument to make, like a bait and switch is acceptable.)

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but in all seriousness, it is quite obvious that this game is built around leagues. the whole game with the endless build possibilities and the fact that there are no free respecs available just breathes "reroll".

Other than the free respec that comes with virtually every major update, you mean? The only thing that PoE's skill tree incentivized me to do was know what I was doing, not re-roll a million times. I like to focus on one character for the most part, optimize the build according to what I've got and what I need to try to beat. Getting a unique drop that you'll actually use, or a quality rare, is a godsend in high level SSF and I enjoy that I actually ENJOY getting loot because of how I choose to play. I find that way more enticing than racing, trying to beat some arbitrary clock that says I need to put as much time as possible into PoE right fucking now whether I feel like it or not. Standard and SSF is my speed, and doesn't have any of the noise that goes along with the rest of the game, whether that's the shit show of trading or balance or leagues, ninjas, buying progression or any of that.

But FoO may be the first time as a standard player I've actively felt the update plan like a straight middle finger to the league I choose to play in. Nerfing Zana's was bad and incomprehensible. But to just decide that played Standard characters just don't even get to see the story at all? That is truly some lazy shit right there. Shows a real commitment to the product when it's like "Meeeehhhh we don't really care if 1/3 to 1/5th of our playerbase has to completely restart, pointlessly, in their league to see it." Real craftsmenship at work there.

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GankstarVX84 wrote:

every new shitty fucking pointless expansion adds an afterthought of gameplay to standard and every shitty fucking pointless league has all theese fucking bells and whistles on, I for one find the prospect of starting fresh fucking retarded, so whats the fucking point in even adding all of this trivial bullshit to standard? do u think we give a fuck about the new acts?

a new league starts, new content comes, I quit.. always the same, cu the content is always for some [Removed by Support]

exactly my opinion. temp leagues need to go the way of the dodo. and nobody asked for 6 new acts at once which will be unbalanced as fuck anyway (played innoncence fight yesterday and yeah, it's unbalanced of course)

I always play standard but this time i started a character in the new league to experience the new content better.

I just finished act 5, proceded to act 6, then deleted my character and restarted it in standard. I thought, if some blue mobs appear from time to time and that is the only difference i might as well play standard where everything i love still is.

I thought what are the PRO's and CONS's of playing standard or league:

Standard:

PRO's:
-you have all your awesome gear
-no need to switch for trade

CON's:
-no blue mobs

League:

PRO's:
-blue mobs from time to time
-gets to call standard trash to feel superior
-fresh economy so everything is expensive

CON's:
-no tabula rasa no nothing
-need to switch for trades
-fresh economy so everything is expensive


I stay away from leagues because if i always start fresh, then what the hell am i grinding for?