GGG hates standard.

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Laskinaama wrote:

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Erial wrote:

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TheAshmaker wrote:

See I told you. Look how everyone talks to you in this thread just because you play standard. They think you are a scrub. They are all self centered elitists.

Thank your for your nice post :-). I really appreciate all your time selecting posts to reply. As you said, it is quite sad some people think they are better if they play a particular mode.

Thanks again!

Its a very small percentage that plays only standard anyway so ofc they put all effort on leagues and core game improvements.
So its tupid to whine about GGG not giving standard love. You wanna play standard? Fine play it. Just dont come whining every fucking league.

This is complete BS. Very small percentage? wake up kid. only good league was legacy and maybe breach. How many players plays after a month in league and how many in standard? You would be surprised.

why should anyone care about standard? its a dumpster league

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SaiyanZ wrote:

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coatofarms wrote:

It's not that GGG hates standard, it is that standard is literally a dump for the trash from past leagues. Standard is the real life version of a trash landfill. You guys are like the smelly kid at school that doesn't realize that he/she smells.

If stuff like these are dumped smelly trash then I wonder what you call the leagues that can't even get these rolls anymore.

The stuff you use in leagues is Vendor trash in Standard. Trash is treasure in the leagues. You're just blind not to see it.

and you are blind not to see that standard is a dumpster league and no one cares about it except people like you who get butt hurt that GGG ignores standard

Not much nerdier than being on a high horse over how other people play video games. Seriously get a life people.

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iamstryker wrote:

Not much nerdier than being on a high horse over how other people play video games. Seriously get a life people.

must take a lot of bud to get a horse high

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Erial wrote:

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Laskinaama wrote:

So its tupid to whine about GGG not giving standard love. You wanna play standard? Fine play it. Just dont come whining every fucking league.

So nice post as well, somehow lots of temporal league players like to post forum threads with the word hate + Standard. In brief, there has been quite a lot of forum threads about the implementation of this expansion to Std players, and it could be that we have solid reasons to say so. Do you think it is normal that Std players had all main quests completed but not side quests? so they were forced to get lot of spoilers to retrieve those skill points for doing maps. Or not giving the option to do also the main quets (what is the point of doing only side quests), before having access to maps.

We are asking for very logic things. And you know, I could use the same argument of yours the other way around. You wanna play temporal leagues? Fine play it. Just do not ask to merge them to Standard at the end.

I apologise for my rudeness. There is so much whining about stupid shit in general discussion that i kinda get blinded and dont spot a legit concern in middle of this cesspool.

That does seem stupid that you had main quests done.

Cant really relate since i only play leagues. I tried std once. I wanted to like it. But it just felt boring and stupid since i reach end-game in league anyway and had my build together so had really nothing to do in std. And leveling to 100 dont really appeal to me.

But maby a new big expansion could and should be the time for you std guys to level a new char and try a new build too. Its fun and you get to experience everything as intented with no spoilers. Its not like it takes that long to run acts 1-4. Took me one night.

Aaaaanyway. Sucks for you std guys. Hang in there!

I mean, lvl 100 is why I'm in standard. It's my goal. It's unrealistic but it keeps me playing the game. Seeing all the map content and getting as high level as I can before my build completely breaks is the challenge that keeps me playing PoE. So when you say something like:

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But maby a new big expansion could and should be the time for you std guys to level a new char

It doesn't appeal to someone like me. I've got like 3 characters in the upper 80s in standard, mostly leveled to play with friends, but I always come back for my top level character eventually. They're my yard stick for how far I've gotten in the game with a build I came up with myself.

Like, playing Leagues feels to me like playing standard feels to you: you find yourself asking "what am I even doing here?" To me playing Leagues is like running in a hamster wheel, gotta race race race to....see the same content again, just with a minor farming twist every time and a new MTX or piece of league gear. Why would I spend time doing that when I could keep mapping my high level character in standard? Why would I go start over with nothing in a new league to level a character when I've got several tabs worth of uniques to kit out any character I want in standard? Starting from square one has never sounded fun to me in PoE.

There's a huge disconnect between types of fun in this playerbase. I get why people like leagues. They like the fresh start, the fresh economy, the challenge of starting over. They like the new content. They like shinies. They like the competition aspect. I feel like a lot fewer people understand why we like standard though. We like progressing one character, at any pace we choose. We like coming back to the same character after X weeks or months taking a break from PoE. We like that trade isn't super important to our gameplay. We like that we're not in a race with anyone or anything. We like playing content AFTER it's been vetted by the player base and rolled into the main game. We like consistency....until GGG flips the table on us by giving our league the last consideration when adding anything to game or making any changes. "Let's invest all our attention in people that will throw their characters away in three months, and penalize the people who are invested in their characters for hundreds of hours." It certainly makes their job easier when they can develop new content on the assumption that they can just flush anything that proves problematic due to standard. Yeah, we're filthy casuals in standard, and really the only things we ask are "don't fuck our shit up" and "let us see the content." I can deal with having to do dumb sidequests to get my skill points back....but not even being able to play through the expansion content as a story? Really?

We've opted out of all the "new and exciting" things in PoE by being in Standard, I think most standard players get that...but I didn't really think the mentality had gone so far as to be like "let's take the biggest expansion and story we've worked on.....and just not really make it so existing merciless characters can appreciate it. They won't care, right?" It's hard not to feel like GGG has the same contempt for standard as their non-standard playerbase does when they pull a move like that. "Just reroll a new character then." *sigh* Every time I hear that it's like "Ya just don't get it." I didn't spend all those hours solo grinding through maps with the same character just to throw it all away and start over again. Nor would I start another character just to go through the story. If I'm going to put any time in to a character, it's because I'm going to want to actually play them as far in to the end game as they can get.

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Zalkortis wrote:

But I don't think GGG hate standard, it's overall just the minority of players I guess who really "only" play standard.

I haven't seen updated numbers, but it used to be 30-35% that played ONLY standard iirc. I flip back and forth myself - I prefer standard, but sometimes the new league content is very compelling. I can understand where most of GGG's efforts are aligned on the new leagues, and I don't mind the way they integrate them into standard later.

What I don't like is the continual breaking of standard characters to fit the new paradigm of current leagues. They can set some flags on what characters have achieved and leave that character alone. Just because the WP was moved to a new area, doesn't mean they can't assign the old character flag to the new wp. A lot changed with 3.0, so although I am NOT happy about some of it, I can sympathize with GGG's perspective an allocating resources.

One thing that I think they could and should do, is when they break a skill tree, give the character 2 resets (one to try and get the character back - so they can see if the nerf/buffs balance out) and then a reset.

For instance, I very specifically used the new skill tree (the one announced a few days prior to launch) before 3.0 to spec out a standard character, so that the new tree wouldn't
be broken. When I start that character up - the tree is broken an zero points are assigned.

I would prefer that GGG handle standard differently going forward. They can do it, they just need to actively plan for it, instead of letting things happen.

People that play standard shouldnt have to defend themselves in front of people that... i guess dissaprove of them playing standard, because.... i cant even find a humourous reason why you'd have negative feelings regarding that.

The fact of the matter is that GGG are putting negative effort into something quite a few players enjoy (or would, would the experience not be so abhorrent). Regardless of how you feel about standard players, you should want GGG to do something about its current state just because you want to keep those people around and spending money.

And i am not talking about the state of the standard economy or anything, the time to have done something about that would have been right before the first league started. It has been 5 years since then, and there is no remedy. Going forward what GGG should do is genuinely think about how to make standard something that its inhabitants would like.



And what do i mean with negative effort?
a. It took 3 entire leagues worth of time before STD got even a whiff of breach.
b. Changing Zana globally without any regard to the STD population whatsoever.
c. The current fiasco with existing characters and quests.
And many others i am not aware of.

You cant tell me that those things are not a major "Fuck you!" sign that GGG is showing to those players.

And at this point, things that would improve Standard is a broad "More effort than zero."

I for one think that Legacy has the perfect framework for STD and would improve it a ton, even if only white leaguestones dropped. (which is lame, but again, more effort than zero)

Isn't the charm of this game to start over? I mean, their main focus might be in the sweet spot between speedrunners and people that like permadeath.

You can like it or not, it's up to you.
You know you are allowed to dislike games, right? I hate games that have tutorials or are easy to progress. Here you can mess really bad if you don't think now and then. However, i'm not complaining on the forums of other games just because i'm not their main target audience.