You go...girl?

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raics wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

Night Witches

https://youtu.be/hNZUAr1no5I

Recruitment officers everywhere should just get one of those 80s boomboxes and play Sabaton on repeat, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Fuck yeah Sabaton.

Primo Victoria's still one of my favorites.

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AbdulAlhazred wrote:

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raics wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

Night Witches

https://youtu.be/hNZUAr1no5I

Recruitment officers everywhere should just get one of those 80s boomboxes and play Sabaton on repeat, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Fuck yeah Sabaton.

Primo Victoria's still one of my favorites.

If you want to recruit people, play Sabaton.

If you want people to fight to get to the recruitment post, play Two Steps From Hell.
Two Steps From Hell - Protectors of the Earth

If you have a strong urge to try conquering Europe, play Rammstein.
Rammstein - Zerstoren

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sarahaustin wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

Back on topic: I thought of this while out shopping with the GF today. Brought it up, because we often clash on these issues. She agreed that there are biological differences that just can't be swept aside by 'identity'. I don't think this is a case of men vs women or misandry vs misogyny. I think it's plain fucking common sense regardless of your leanings.

You forget the part about hormones. The longer one is on hormones the more one is genetically going to be like the gender one identifies as. If i go on HRT i will have less muscle mass, slower hair growth and different fat distribution. And if a trans woman had SRS she will not produce any testosterone.

If identity was all there was to it then obviously you would be totally correct, but read up on what hormones change, especially in trans women, then you might agree with me that trans women in womens sports is fine. Now you can still argue about bone structure as thats the only thing hormones cant change but surgery could.

still not making you a woman. You were born as a man you remains a man, you were born as a woman you remain as a woman. There are only 2 gender, and that is real biology, just basic science fact.

You can treat your body like one of Frankenstein's experience, but you will still remain the same internally and biologically.

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sarahaustin wrote:

You forget the part about hormones. The longer one is on hormones the more one is genetically going to be like the gender one identifies as. If i go on HRT i will have less muscle mass, slower hair growth and different fat distribution. And if a trans woman had SRS she will not produce any testosterone.

If identity was all there was to it then obviously you would be totally correct, but read up on what hormones change, especially in trans women, then you might agree with me that trans women in womens sports is fine. Now you can still argue about bone structure as thats the only thing hormones cant change but surgery could.

I don't think anyone is forgetting about hormonal changes and how much transgenders... I'm not sure what the right word is. I want to say devolve but that's not it. How about... Metamorphose? To the point: We understand MTF transgenders lose muscle mass.

But if they grew to adulthood as a man, they have all of the benefits a man would have in sports. There's more to it than just muscle, as has been described previously in the thread.

Most of the MTF transgender athletes that go into official professional sports do not take the time to actually lose all of these advantages prior to entry. The only advantage they lose beforehand is hormonal.

Let me put it another way. Let's say Robot A was designed specifically for military operations and combat efficiency. Robot B was designed as a caretaker in hospices. Regardless of their programming, one will always perform better within their original field because their frame or chassis was built for it.

We're not advocating for transgender discrimination. At least, I'm not. In fact, I'd like to see transgenders officially recognized in sports. But if we continue to allow MTF transgenders into women's events, there will continue to be unfair playing fields and increasing resentment against them.

Political correctness should not come before justice and fairness. What needs to occur, is for transgenders to have their own separate division so that they may be officially recognized in the sporting world and given the opportunity to compete without growing tension between both sides.

Yup there are people that even in face of scientifically proven facts they refuse to admit the reality.

Aaaand... here we go again.

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Bars wrote:

Aaaand... here we go again.

Fixed.

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AbdulAlhazred wrote:

But if they grew to adulthood as a man, they have all of the benefits a man would have in sports. There's more to it than just muscle, as has been described previously in the thread.

There sure is, we're... hinged a bit differently, we even unhinge differently most of the time.